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FilthyRich2

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Can anyone work out who is on this newly formed Congo Battery Council (yet again)



AVZ was initially invited, but I do not know if they are represented , as Nigel did say there was silence on the Battery Council

Also interesting as to what assignments they have been given
 
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Makes me fucking sick!
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Doc

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It's a slow Tuesday, so here is a little math around the potential loss of 50% of perimeter due to not meeting the requirements of the mining code:

While the northern section is not a perfect rectangle, let's assume it is for ease of calculations (otherwise we would need to use integration, and I can't remember any of that stuff anymore. I'm lucky to remember where I live).

If the perimeter is reduced by 50% (ie. 0.5), the the area within the perimeter is reduced by 0.5^2 (ie. 0.25 or 25%)
Therefore the tenement area is reduced by 25%, rather than 50%.
So the area within the tenement boundary will be a bit more or a bit less than 75% of the original area.

Cheers
F

I hope that made sense, and happy to be corrected if my high school math is wrong.
I’m happy with that.
Get Nigel to argue a caveat that whoever gets the North 25% cannot break ground for a minimum 2 years so our mine would be built before anyone can start.
Let’s dig this shit up ffs
 
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Can anyone work out who is on this newly formed Congo Battery Council (yet again)



AVZ was initially invited, but I do not know if they are represented , as Nigel did say there was silence on the Battery Council

Also interesting as to what assignments they have been given

AVZ Ann to ASX re DRC Battery Council was 26-Nov-2021.
I think it was at the Melb RS in Nov-2022 that Nigel said the original DRC Battery Council had been superseded by a new battery Co-Op/council, with the Co-op between DRC and Zambia announced 29/4/2022 ... and that AVZ had not been invited onto the "board" of the new battery council.
Not Happy, Sparrowhawk.
 
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Winenut

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It's a slow Tuesday, so here is a little math around the potential loss of 50% of perimeter due to not meeting the requirements of the mining code:

While the northern section is not a perfect rectangle, let's assume it is for ease of calculations (otherwise we would need to use integration, and I can't remember any of that stuff anymore. I'm lucky to remember where I live).

If the perimeter is reduced by 50% (ie. 0.5), the the area within the perimeter is reduced by 0.5^2 (ie. 0.25 or 25%)
Therefore the tenement area is reduced by 25%, rather than 50%.
So the area within the tenement boundary will be a bit more or a bit less than 75% of the original area.

Cheers
F

I hope that made sense, and happy to be corrected if my high school math is wrong.
So does the mining code say you lose 50% of the "perimeter" of the tenement not 50% of the "area" of the tenement?
 

Winenut

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FUCK!!!!
 
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faithful and loyal to the Head of State, continues to work for the awakening of the State Portfolio. She's still here for a very long time!!!
🤦‍♂️


There's a few of us refuting / rebuffing Adele's serenity & faithfulness on twitter 🤣
 
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Frank

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Lithium price plunge


Lithium’s recent price collapse and the prospect that supply from new mines could accelerate the slump are stoking fierce debate in the electric-car battery industry.
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It’s an argument that’s pitting ARK Investment Management Chief Executive Officer Cathie Wood against some of the sector’s most prominent voices.

Lithium carbonate in China, a key benchmark, has tumbled almost 30% since touching a record in November, a sharp reversal from the material surging more than 14-fold since mid-2020 as automakers rushed to lock in raw materials needed for the rapid expansion of their electric lineups.

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Signs of slower sales in China, the top EV market, along with concern about subsidy cuts and destocking activity across the battery supply chain have all weighed on lithium’s outlook.

The potential impact of more supply is also now acutely in focus, with a stream of expansions or new projects that promise to get up and running this year.

Wood said last week that the extraordinary run-up in prices of the metal had been a “clarion call” for more production, and that the response from the industry means “odds are high that lithium will be in excess supply.”

China Nonferrous Metals Industry Association, a leading industry group, has warned that rising supply could weigh on lithium prices this year, while BYD Co. said it expects the metal to stabilize in 2023.

Others including Joe Lowry, founder of advisory firm Global Lithium, insist demand is being underestimated and that these prognosticators fail to take into account the complexities of securing funding and permitting for new mines.

Suppliers are more bullish, too.

“Early indications are both that cathode inventory and battery inventory in China are decreasing, which is a good sign for lithium sales,” Kent Masters, CEO of Albemarle Corp., one of the top global producers, told investors last week.

The firm expects “continued favorable pricing for lithium” this year, according to a statement.

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Another issue that my colleague Mark Burton and I highlighted earlier is whether less-established companies and nations will be able to deliver supply as promised.

That’s particularly important for some of China’s key players, who are pinning hopes on the success of a cluster of new projects across Africa.

The continent has emerged as a hot spot for Chinese lithium investment, and is becoming a counterpoint to US efforts to build out its own supply networks with free-trade partners and other allies like Canada and Australia.

Chinese refiners are preparing for miners in Australia to move into higher-value downstream chemical production, which could limit the volume of raw material available for export, according to Peng Xu, analyst at BloombergNEF.

Ganfeng Lithium Group Co. has invested in Goulamina mine in Mali, while Chengxin Lithium Group Co. has interests in Zimbabwe.

Zhejiang Huayou Cobalt Co. and a unit of top battery maker Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. are among investors in a project in the Democratic Republic of Congo.


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Several African nations will join the ranks of top producers of lithium raw materials through the end of the decade, according to data compiled by BloombergNEF.

Many of those countries are already major suppliers of metals like copper and cobalt to Chinese companies that ship the materials for processing at their own domestic refineries.

“The least risky and best places for Chinese companies are probably places they have had success in the past,” said Jason Holden, a senior metals and mining analyst at S&P Global Commodity Insights.


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Onthefm

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There's a few of us refuting / rebuffing Adele's serenity & faithfulness on twitter 🤣
This bitch isn't going anywhere seems to be quite wealthy and happy exactly where she is. Imo
 
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Hemicuda

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Why would he be??
At RS or AGM he, along with other large holders, had obviously been unknowingly primed by BoD.

I then read, I think here, that his wealth is all his wife's.

No skin in the game, however likes being ' in the know'.

But a broken clock....
Full of shit more like it, is he told to tweet? Hmm?
 
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Winenut

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Looks like a bit of a tough day across the broader market today

Hang in there everyone and look after yourselves
 
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Scoota30

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Can anyone work out who is on this newly formed Congo Battery Council (yet again)



AVZ was initially invited, but I do not know if they are represented , as Nigel did say there was silence on the Battery Council

Also interesting as to what assignments they have been given

I used to think King Julien (shoutout to @Frank) was one of the good ones...
Haven't heard him say AVZ since around the time of the Battery council.

I sent an email to headquarters on friday last week and haven't received a response. i was quite civil and just wanted to share my thoughts on everything as someone posted on here recently after the last decree Ann saying they encourage emails to come through and will pass them on to the BoD.

One of the 6 questions i asked in the email was: Which government officials are we actually talking to?

Seems like for the past 3 years all we have had from announcements is "Engaged, co-operative and collaborative relationships with DRC government" but all of us are yet to see any of this. If the MoP is against us, the MoM isn't even talking to us, King Julien (MoI) hasn't got us involved in the Battery Council 2.0, then who the F*ck are we actually in discussions with??? other than the Manono Chief?

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Looks like a bit of a tough day across the broader market today

Hang in there everyone and look after yourselves
AVZ holding firm @ 78c. Sweet!
 
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TDITD

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Kat Shit has lost his fucking mind
 
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Getting ready for my weekly dose :) 42 coming up
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I’m happy with that.
Get Nigel to argue a caveat that whoever gets the North 25% cannot break ground for a minimum 2 years so our mine would be built before anyone can start.
Let’s dig this shit up ffs
We'd need a lot more than just that, Hydro - not Zijins, Infrastructure - they upgrade roads, among other conditions, an make that shit watertight, if they don't adhere the north comes straight back to us.

Immaterial anyhow as those slimy cheating fucks would still bribe, lie and fraud their way out of doing anything while breaking ground and holding us up. We would be a few kms away at Roche Dure looking over at CDL with our pants around our ankles AGAIN.

NO DEAL

ZIJIN GO FUCK YOURSELVES
 
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smileatme

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Lithium price plunge


Lithium’s recent price collapse and the prospect that supply from new mines could accelerate the slump are stoking fierce debate in the electric-car battery industry.
blank.gif

It’s an argument that’s pitting ARK Investment Management Chief Executive Officer Cathie Wood against some of the sector’s most prominent voices.

Lithium carbonate in China, a key benchmark, has tumbled almost 30% since touching a record in November, a sharp reversal from the material surging more than 14-fold since mid-2020 as automakers rushed to lock in raw materials needed for the rapid expansion of their electric lineups.

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Signs of slower sales in China, the top EV market, along with concern about subsidy cuts and destocking activity across the battery supply chain have all weighed on lithium’s outlook.

The potential impact of more supply is also now acutely in focus, with a stream of expansions or new projects that promise to get up and running this year.

Wood said last week that the extraordinary run-up in prices of the metal had been a “clarion call” for more production, and that the response from the industry means “odds are high that lithium will be in excess supply.”

China Nonferrous Metals Industry Association, a leading industry group, has warned that rising supply could weigh on lithium prices this year, while BYD Co. said it expects the metal to stabilize in 2023.

Others including Joe Lowry, founder of advisory firm Global Lithium, insist demand is being underestimated and that these prognosticators fail to take into account the complexities of securing funding and permitting for new mines.

Suppliers are more bullish, too.

“Early indications are both that cathode inventory and battery inventory in China are decreasing, which is a good sign for lithium sales,” Kent Masters, CEO of Albemarle Corp., one of the top global producers, told investors last week.

The firm expects “continued favorable pricing for lithium” this year, according to a statement.

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Another issue that my colleague Mark Burton and I highlighted earlier is whether less-established companies and nations will be able to deliver supply as promised.

That’s particularly important for some of China’s key players, who are pinning hopes on the success of a cluster of new projects across Africa.

The continent has emerged as a hot spot for Chinese lithium investment, and is becoming a counterpoint to US efforts to build out its own supply networks with free-trade partners and other allies like Canada and Australia.

Chinese refiners are preparing for miners in Australia to move into higher-value downstream chemical production, which could limit the volume of raw material available for export, according to Peng Xu, analyst at BloombergNEF.

Ganfeng Lithium Group Co. has invested in Goulamina mine in Mali, while Chengxin Lithium Group Co. has interests in Zimbabwe.

Zhejiang Huayou Cobalt Co. and a unit of top battery maker Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. are among investors in a project in the Democratic Republic of Congo.


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Several African nations will join the ranks of top producers of lithium raw materials through the end of the decade, according to data compiled by BloombergNEF.

Many of those countries are already major suppliers of metals like copper and cobalt to Chinese companies that ship the materials for processing at their own domestic refineries.

“The least risky and best places for Chinese companies are probably places they have had success in the past,” said Jason Holden, a senior metals and mining analyst at S&P Global Commodity Insights.


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@Frank , But I could notice a bit of trend in the chart you shared. 30% drop in EV sales during Nov to Feb period on last two years as well (2021, 2022).
May be something else is in play here during Nov to Feb?
Yes, mine supply is increasing, so is demand for EVs and batteries.
And some correction in price is healthy, right? Wait another 6 months, the yellow line could average up.
Thanks for your posts. :)
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Flight996

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So does the mining code say you lose 50% of the "perimeter" of the tenement not 50% of the "area" of the tenement?
Hi Winenut

That is my understanding.

Ref: https://eiti.org/sites/default/files/attachments/j_o_ndeg_speicial_du_28_mars_2018_code_minier.pdf

Original:
A l’occasion du renouvellement, le titulaire du Permis de recherches renonce d’office à au moins 50% du
périmètre
couvert par son permis et doit élaborer et obtenir l’approbation du Plan d’atténuation et de
réhabilitation révisé pour l’activité proposée, avant de poursuivre les travaux de recherches minières.
Le Règlement minier détermine les modalités du dépôt, de la recevabilité ou de l’irrecevabilité, de
l’instruction, de la décision du renouvellement du Permis de recherches ainsi que son inscription et
affichage

Google translation:
On the occasion of renewal, the holder of the Permit of research automatically renounces at least 50% of the
perimeter
covered by its permit and must develop and obtain approval of the Mitigation Plan and
revised rehabilitation for the proposed activity, before continue mining exploration work.
The Mining Regulations determine the terms of the filing, admissibility or inadmissibility, of
the instruction, the decision to renew the Exploration permit as well as its registration and
display

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That’s only for a research permit ; it’s the reason we lost 50% on the extensions I.e . Leaving it too long and not doing anything and having to renew
This doesn't really apply because Dathcom were going for a PE, not a renewal of the PR. We lost 50% of the other tenements around Manono with this exact process. I don't think there was ever any claim that the north had been split again. AJN's application was for the whole north area as shown on the CAMI portal.

The question is does a partial waiver automatically start the PR process again?

Nigel wants the partition to stand so management must be confident of retaining the north if they can successfully have the MoM's new decrees overturned. Or maybe they only really want the south and don't care about the north because it's haunted by mica.
Thanks for that clarification , yes , getting my PE mixed with PR.

So another question, was it unrealistic for AVZ to be seeking PE over the entire tenement, given the fact CDL is very much a PR project , with only a few holes poked in the south ?

So many questions i have.

How could the initial ML decree include the south of CDL , but not the north ?

Where in DRC mining law does it state that could happen ?

Was it due to the fact that no exploration was done there or was it indeed a partial waiver ?

Docs suggest it was a partial waiver..........why would AVZ do that with no assay evidence that it had high mica content ?

Regardless of mica content, plenty of extraction processes out there to " iron " out that problem, still deeming the north of CDL to be worth billions !!

Does AVZ require share holder approval to instigate a partial waiver ?

AVZ lawyers are highly paid to navigate thru all this shit, how did they get hood winked to accept the intial ML decree without noticing the north of CDL cut off ?

Do they have good knowledge of DRC mining law ?

How did FT get the impression from his crooked cabinet ministers that AVZ were not worthy / credible in being awarded a ML ?

Why wasnt FT following the docs and progress of Manono in the first place ?


Seriously, my head just boggles with this calamity jane..........:eek::eek::eek::cautious::cautious:


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