AVZ Discussion 2022

[MoneyBags1348]

Simplest way I can put it is someone with power over Antoinette (MoM) decided to separate our tenement into two tenements.

The first being Roche Dure and southern portion of CDL (where drilling and assays were done)

The second being the greater (north eastern portion) of CDL.

This scam was probably thought up by Mupande, Eckhof (with the assistance of Lukonde).

RD decree was given, surface rights calculated and the northern section of CDL was supposed to be given a new number and be for Dathcom to apply for a new PR.

Nigel got wind of AJN being given the PR license (because he owns AJN shares) and said we (AVZ - Dathcom) want the whole tenement, so Mupande and Lukonde decided not to grant anything.

My own thoughts are if the mining code says we have the legal rights to the CDL northern section, then we need to just keep telling the whole world how we have spent $100 million on the project and developing local communities, and how corrupt these fuckers are.

Anyway, AJN seem to have gone quiet so maybe that part of ownership is gradually getting sorted

 

[obe wan]

We didn't need to initiate the potential initial court case to have the decree issued because the Minister of Mines issued the decree in time. Nigel clarified the misunderstanding shareholders including myself had from his interview in 2021 at the AGM in November 2022:

Q: Interview NF mentioned once mentioned once decree issued 10 day period before Court could issue the licence. What happened?

A: This was a misunderstanding. As soon as your documentation was in order and issued, this talk of periods was regarding the ministerial decree. Other steps in way of ML – CAMI have held up the invoicing, illegally in our view.

Key word illegally imo

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Yes there's certainly some lose comments which were made, apparently the Cami office had heard about things said in the roadshow meetings faster than they could be posted on HC the next day.

 

[Onthefm]

Who knows ; all speculation.

Yes mate I get that but why haven't management stepped in and stopped the speculation. I mean what company let's all this "speculation" go on for 9 months. Unless they have no fucken idea themselves. And unfortunately that's exactly what it looks like. Imo

 

[Carlos Danger]

Yes there's certainly some lose comments which were made, apparently the Cami office had heard about things said in the roadshow meetings faster than they could be posted on HC the next day.

A constant recurring problem is that management say things they can't guarantee will happen. Probably why we have had to learn most of the basic facts through journalists rather than official company announcements.

 

[Onthefm]

Yes there's certainly some lose comments which were made, apparently the Cami office had heard about things said in the roadshow meetings faster than they could be posted on HC the next day.

Sorry mate sounds like I'm bitching at you. I'm not. But these pricks have handled this like the amateurs they are. But they'd be great door to door vacuum salesman. Imo
Ps thanks for all-out posts over the years
Fuck now I'm sounding like a sick.

 

[wombat74]

Yes there's certainly some lose comments which were made, apparently the Cami office had heard about things said in the roadshow meetings faster than they could be posted on HC the next day.

Then what was said at the first RS in Perth was a f--k up by Nigel ? Tooting his trumpet . Making SH suffer even longer . I think we have massive egos in full swing from both sides . The only losers in all this are AVZ share holders . I just hope if Nige realises he's got no show in securing Nth CDL he admits defeat and moves forward with Roche Dure and Sth CDL . And please do all SH a favour and don't try to build a mine . Just flick the f--ker .

 

[Carlos Danger]

Sorry mate sounds like I'm bitching at you. I'm not. But these pricks have handled this like the amateurs they are. But they'd be great door to door vacuum salesman. Imo
Ps thanks for all-out posts over the years
Fuck now I'm sounding like a sick.

AVZ management have done a great job at proving the resource. Especially sticking through it during the dark days after Klaus rat fucked us. But they have definitely dropped the ball by allowing themselves to be out maneuvered by Mupande and the rest of the jackals. Although there are positive signs they are succeeding at fighting back.

They are paid top dollar because of their experience in Africa. Considering what we now know I'm extremely confident that I would have seen this shit coming a mile away if I was on the board. And the only time I've ever been to Africa was visiting Morocco as a kid. Unbelievable that the partition of the tenement was allowed to happen with management's consent.

 

[The Fox]

Here I go again with the old “Last post for the day hopefully”

I really don’t like being on here tying up the threads day in, day out but I have to say a few things to all the TSE readers

Firstly I realise it’s probably not the best thing to be using profanity here so often but it began in frustration (for many of us) and ended up being a source of fun that may or may not have gone to far, but I hope anyone who is constantly offended at least acknowledges that most of it comes from poster’s here that provide a lot of information and of course I’m aware that there are also more dignified posters. I just wanted to acknowledge that before moving on.

Secondly, an important reason for providing information here (that isn’t acknowledged) is that it provides less experienced shareholders with information to help provide a level playing field.

By that I mean, there are institutional and other investors that are more aware of what’s happening in and around companies (including those short seller arsewipes) that will try and manipulate stocks through any means possible.

Boatman is one example, the scam class action is another…. and yet another is Morgan Stanley, who will put out a report saying the price of lithium will go down (or EV sales will fall etc) right before they buy a whole lot of shares in lithium companies. Then they will put out another report saying the opposite when they want to do the opposite.

When stocks change indexes (eg going into the ASX200 and ASX100) skullduggery arises again in a different form, as big funds are forced into buying. If AVZ succeeds we could go into the ASX top 50 companies.

So many things for investors to consider, so making the playing field more even for everyone is important. Knowledge is important.

One could say we have picked the perfect time to be in suspension…. The global economy has slowed and growth will slow even further. The biggest economies in the world are facing recession.

Prices to construct projects are high due to inflation, interest rates are higher, supply chains experiencing delays as well as higher prices. China in the grip of a major and uncontrollable Covid outbreak, the US will be affected by the Reb’s in Congress and Dem’s in the Senate, higher energy prices affecting manufacturing due to the war in Ukraine and so on and so on.

You could also say we have avoided the big rises and falls other lithium companies like PLS, LTR, CXO etc have experienced.

That’s the glass half full approach…. I take a more realistic approach but my point is the more relevant information on here, the more it provides a level playing field and opportunity for less experienced investors to learn.

Having said all that, I am going to add a few things that are meant to provide a base point for others to consider. It’s how I consider our situation, and might be close to right and equally close to wrong but it’s my current base point, and no doubt the smart and the cunning and the unscrupulous investors have varying opinions around this

…. Now fuck me, after all that waffling I’ve nearly forgotten what that base point is!!

I don’t necessarily trust Felix or Marius or Lukusa. I would not be surprised if Felix didn’t give a shit who has ownership in Dathcom as long as it gets under construction so he can look good before the next election. I hope I am wrong, but the upside is that I still believe we will be owners in Dathcom, it’s just how much of it we own…. So hoping for the best, but just not believing the bullshit that comes from Marius and Lukusa until it becomes fact.

Base point two…. I believe we currently have $25mil left in the bank and by the time we get to arbitration we will have about $15mil in the bank so we will seriously have to start looking at capital.

You lot know me, I’ve always got something to say and the truth is I don’t want to be here and don’t want to be posting comments that are not necessarily positive, but in the end, what I believe is that investors should be on an even playing field and there shouldn’t be so much bullshit.

One thing I can think of that is positive is that the areholes who are trying to fuck us have gone quiet, and if they decided to try to use our capital situation against us, that’s something AVZ exec’s and BOD would be very aware of and should have under control

All my opinion only, and I’ll be fucked if I know why I keep putting myself through this…. Please @zeeb0t put me out of my fucken misery

Nice post MB On the money honey issue, I was of the belief there is still the US50m facility available to draw down on out of the US if needed. Do you or anyone else have any information that changes the availability of these funds? I recall a poster confirming Nigel stated / confirmed these funds are still available at one of the road shows.

Cheers The Fox

 

[Bonsoir]

AVZ management have done a great job at proving the resource. Especially sticking through it during the dark days after Klaus rat fucked us. But they have definitely dropped the ball by allowing themselves to be out maneuvered by Mupande and the rest of the jackals. Although there are positive signs they are succeeding at fighting back.

They are paid top dollar because of their experience in Africa. Considering what we now know I'm extremely confident that I would have seen this shit coming a mile away if I was on the board. And the only time I've ever been to Africa was visiting Morocco as a kid. Unbelievable that the partition of the tenement was allowed to happen with management's consent.

AVZ did not allow themselves to be out manoeuvred, it was pure corruption and I don’t know how you defend that when the corruption come from DRC government officials, chinese would not manage to get this far without colluding and bribing judges and mining officials.

 

[CashKing]

I think there's a fair few in that camp now @Panther22 ; I've always said that I don't reckon AVZ will get it into production ; it's just too valuable a resource and it would be open season after ML, when all sorts would come out of the woodwork and have a crack ; id expect a couple of counters too fwiw and I reckon everyone else does too, hence why I think the Chinese will do everything to trip the company up and consume them from the inside

I’ll stand up and say I’ve always been team TO. Nige and team ain’t going to do this BS for the next 30 years. He’s game is to sell once ML comes in that’s favorable to the BOD & Shareholders…

How many more Roadshows & BS will it take before some realize.

GLTAH

 

[Onthefm]

Then what was said at the first RS in Perth was a f--k up by Nigel ? Tooting his trumpet . Making SH suffer even longer . I think we have massive egos in full swing from both sides . The only losers in all this are AVZ share holders . I just hope if Nige realises he's got no show in securing Nth CDL he admits defeat and moves forward with Roche Dure and Sth CDL . And please do all SH a favour and don't try to build a mine . Just flick the f--ker .

Jesus christ they couldn't build a 4 year old lego.

 

[CashKing]

I stopped by the WACA as one of my last things to do on my WA holiday and to my surprise the AVZ team were there having a game of backyard cricket, everyone was in high spirits.

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(that's the most photogenic it gets, was not worth the effort)

I asked Nige when the ML would come and he just gave me cheeky smile and asked if I wanted to see him hit some dingers (Simpsons joke FYI). If only he hit corrupt DRC politicians like he smokes the leather through cover for 6....

Seriously though I'm pretty dusty from drinking my way through Little Creatures and Gage Road breweries before catching up with @BEISHA for dinner and refreshments. It was good to meet you mate, thanks for the pointers on my investment strategies. I think my key take away from your advice was that I just need to stop

Was he 6’3 and built like a brick shithouse ?

 

[wombat74]

I’ll stand up and say I’ve always been team TO. Nige and team ain’t going to do this BS for the next 30 years. He’s game is to sell once ML comes in that’s favorable to the Shareholders..

GLTAH

A lot of us here are bags in front . $1.50 minimum sees all SH with a return and an education re investing in Africa .

 

[CashKing]

A lot of us here are bags in front . $1.50 minimum sees all SH with a return and an education re investing in Africa .

No wonder Hoots doesn’t do it anymore

Although that was a bit different with a military coop etc but still

GLTAH

 

[Carlos Danger]

AVZ did not allow themselves to be out manoeuvred, it was pure corruption and I don’t know how you defend that when the corruption come from DRC government officials, chinese would not manage to get this far without colluding and bribing judges and mining officials.

Yeah I agree corruption is the basis of the problem. I'm not trying to defend that.

But AVZ management should have been savvy to the games being played. Especially given the reputation of the people they were dealing with.

The mining code says that once the favourable opinions are given then the ministerial decree should be issued for the same amount of carrés.

AVZ management agreed to the partition. This was not something that was a surprise to them when they announced the ministerial decree on May 4th and we traded for 3 days after.

Overall I'm basing my view on what Nigel said about Felix telling him that he never asked for the partition. If that isn't true then we are completely fucked.

Every once in a while, the lion has to show the jackals, who he is imo

 

[The Fox]

But isn't the issue around what contained in the exploitation decree / licence offering and how it's contrary to what the mining code says .....understanding is that decree issued ; Management were aware of the North / South split ( exploitation / exploration both under AVZ ) , weren't overly happy, but happy enough to roll with it and contimued trading only for the handbrake to be pulled ,as CAMIs North is being remembered / revoked and ready to accept new applications” plan was rolled out on the benchtop and AVZ were told ye nah, the direction came from Felix, but you guys can make an application too.

That direction never came from Felix and AVZs legal eagles went back to recite the mining code for the umpteenth time.

Ye I've heard the one about AVZ bringing them into court and bring told that the reason for the hold up was because CAMI we're still calculating the mining rights figures......do I believe that..? No, that's ridiculous in my view, how could that be the cause of 8 months of chain dragging

It's not difficult for someone to asking for the mining application and process book run a calculation on the time between decree and ML in a frame ; they’d all be less than a month, but AVZ IS 8+ months ; I'm pretty sure if that was just the case then DG could be ordered by Felix to press the buttons or find a job in Maccas, as all the data is there

If AVZ had agreed to run with what was presented, then we’d be trading now and no doubt the northern section would probably already have been locked away and registered under AJN/ Congo resources in lightening speed .

Did AVZ bring CAMI to court just to get the licence released and get the calculator excuse...was it before, during of after that when the revoked part flushed out..? .who knows

Now my reply to wombat, as to if ML would be granted if we just agreed to the cut ; I responded yes, I've zero doubt that at the time that would have been correct ; but obviously we don't know how far this has gone up the ladder and what one way valves have been opened I.e. AVZ standing firm and looking for what rightful Dathcom are entitled to and wanting North and South..... That's exactly what is be doing, fuck Klaus, DG, MoP, Zijin and Co. Fwiw if it came out that northern area was gone to others, the is be looking for the best opportunity to sell out in the short term / medium term; I've no doubts that the Chinese would fick AVZ up by opening up Carrier in no time ;they’d have their licence with a 10 page application in less time than it would take us to build the plant ; DG would make sure of that .

If AVZ had of brought CAMi to court to get DG to release the licence alone and the excuse was his calculator was broken ; the court would have issued a date for it to be resolved by...assuming all things were legit and in line with the codes....problem is from my understanding, it wasn't in line with the code and that's what's caused the 8 month + delay and not DGs calculator

Your comment also suggests that it probably wasn't just a court case To get the license release without any issues involved - “It's only a misunderstanding because Nigel was talking about the process before the ministerial decree. We can't have a court order to issue the licence anymore because we already legally have the licence that management agreed to.”

This is one relevant announcement by AVZ in relation to the split of the ML/PE

Activities Report for the Quarter ending 30 June 2022

Highlights

Activities Report for the Quarter ending 30 June 2022

• DRC Minister of Mines signed Ministerial Decree to award the Mining Licence for the Manono Lithium and Tin Project (Manono Project) to Dathcom Mining SA1
• DRC Mining Code required Cadastre Minier (CAMI), operating under the supervision of the Minister of Mines, to calculate the surface rights fee and officially award the Mining Licence following receipt of payment
• Ministerial Decree to award the Mining Licence covered the entirety of the Roche Dure JORC Mineral Resource and Reserve2&3 and the Carriere de l’Este exploration target
• An area which was excluded under the Ministerial Decree to award the Mining Licence will be renewed under a new 5-year Exploration Licence to Dathcom with discussions regarding the terms of the ongoing joint venture under discussion with the DRC Government
• Completion of US$240M cornerstone investment with Suzhou CATH Energy Technologies5 extended by mutual agreement to 31 July 2022
• Request for arbitation received from Jin Cheng Mining Company Limited, the DRC arm of Zijin Mining Corporation
• Inaugural 2021 Sustainability Report published in June

 

[obe wan]

Nice post MB On the money honey issue, I was of the belief there is still the US50m facility available to draw down on out of the US if needed. Do you or anyone else have any information that changes the availability of these funds? I recall a poster confirming Nigel stated / confirmed these funds are still available at one of the road shows.

Cheers The Fox

Ye he did say that it was still available ; but i’d say the chances of that being avalibke to draw out of, under the current mess are slim to none.....unless of course, the funding company could see potential; benefits

If it was announced that AVZ were going to use the ATM facility ; I reckon i’d go find the first bus I could just in front of .

A company going down the gurgler due to unpaid debt, can be quite lucrative for the sharks.
AJM had an ATO facility ; they started drawing from it unit repayment couldn't keep up and then Down the gurgler and company sold on to PLS.

AVZ into an ATO facility whilst the chinese bunker up for the long haul...now that would be a headfuck

 

[Xerof]

Banks/financiers hand out umbrella’s whilst the sun is shining and take them back as soon as it starts raining.

Nige would be technically correct with his statement of availability, but if pressed to draw on it, it won’t be there right now.

IMO
Kunt

 

[Onthefm]

Ye he did say that it was still available ; but i’d say the chances of that being avalibke to draw out of, under the current mess are slim to none.....unless of course, the funding company could see potential; benefits

If it was announced that AVZ were going to use the ATM facility ; I reckon i’d go find the first bus I could just in front of .

A company going down the gurgler due to unpaid debt, can be quite lucrative for the sharks.
AJM had an ATO facility ; they started drawing from it unit repayment couldn't keep up and then Down the gurgler and company sold on to PLS.

AVZ into an ATO facility whilst the chinese bunker up for the long haul...now that would be a headfuck

That's why they need to stop spending. Imo of cause.

 

[The Fox]

Ye he did say that it was still available ; but i’d say the chances of that being avalibke to draw out of, under the current mess are slim to none.....unless of course, the funding company could see potential; benefits

If it was announced that AVZ were going to use the ATM facility ; I reckon i’d go find the first bus I could just in front of .

A company going down the gurgler due to unpaid debt, can be quite lucrative for the sharks.
AJM had an ATO facility ; they started drawing from it unit repayment couldn't keep up and then Down the gurgler and company sold on to PLS.

AVZ into an ATO facility whilst the chinese bunker up for the long haul...now that would be a headfuck

Sure, there is a risk to the company if it borrowers and then continues to spend money hand over fist.

AVZ has not decided to consolidate spending as yet, this can still happen and bring the spend down considerably. Suspend drilling, reduce non-essential expenditure all available to bring overheads down not dissimilar to putting a mine on care and maintenance, accept it is the company on care and maintenance. Capital can still be secured via SPP while in suspension, and there are some serious players in the T20 that might like a preferential deal for more equity.

In saying all the above, I don't think the Chinese will bunker in for the long haul here, but if they do, AVZ has many leavers to use if a siege actually does take place, however unlikely.

If it comes down to survival of the company I'm quite certain funds from various sources will be available to keep the company in the game. Don't forget the inability of AVZ not being able to fill off takes and how this will affect more Chinese battery and EV makers then just the Zijin looters,

IMO AVZ have the upper hand on the long game due to market forces and in short a lot more Chinese industry will benefit from Manono coming online quicker then some thieving miners will like Zijin.

All conjecture of coarse, however there is always a Yin to the Yang and AVZ sits nicely in the middle of both IMO.

Cheers The Fox