AVZ Discussion 2022

Doc

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I think the issue is around not disclosing to the market the legal action taking place in DRC. Not the rights of the project. ASIC should not have made a move until the situation was resolved, they have just royally F'd us all over.

Class Action, Probity.... it all just feels like someone trying to apply leverage, timing too suspect.
Not sure what a class action can achieve. Nigel has to sell his house?AVZ has no money, no commercially acceptable offers, no real assets ( according to the detractors ) so how would people involved get any more money then a few cents each and possibly ruin any chance on a return on their investment?
What happens if Nigel and BoD just up and fucks off? Doubt there would be too many putting their hand up for Nigels job right now
 
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wombat74

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Not sure what a class action can achieve. Nigel has to sell his house?AVZ has no money, no commercially acceptable offers, no real assets ( according to the detractors ) so how would people involved get any more money then a few cents each and possibly ruin any chance on a return on their investment?
What happens if Nigel and BoD just up and fucks off? Doubt there would be too many putting their hand up for Nigels job right now
Good questions for Nigel at the AGM . How about that timing .
 
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Doc

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Good questions for Nigel at the AGM . How about that timing .
Guessing Deboss wont have any party poppers this year..........
 
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Samus

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Not sure what a class action can achieve. Nigel has to sell his house?AVZ has no money, no commercially acceptable offers, no real assets ( according to the detractors ) so how would people involved get any more money then a few cents each and possibly ruin any chance on a return on their investment?
What happens if Nigel and BoD just up and fucks off? Doubt there would be too many putting their hand up for Nigels job right now
I guess a class action could potentially cut in to any eventual profit, essentially taken from us and given out to a few disgruntled shareholders and a huge chunk to the parasites of Omni Bridgeway. Fuckers.
 
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wombat74

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SH @Talks from the Crapper

But investors decided not to take
Class action never got any support
All of the sudden asic wants to slap the directors
But the drc issued decree for mining licence before
Trading halt
So company believed until then that ML would have followed

non sense asic I can smell Chinese perfume here
 
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Hey ASIC. The SPA’s were completed. Looks like I need to add you dipshits to the list of idiots that don’t understand how contracts work lmao

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GuruDukun

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Hey ASIC. The SPA’s were completed. Looks like I need to add you dipshits to the list of idiots that don’t understand how contracts work lmao

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That was my initial thinking of the documents they brought.
 
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Flekman11

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Hey ASIC. The SPA’s were completed. Looks like I need to add you dipshits to the list of idiots that don’t understand how contracts work lmao

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Only issue is ASIC don’t give 2 fucks about ICC and arbitration law. They’re going the directors for non disclosure, to which I guess the directors will argue it’s immaterial as usual. Hard one.

Annoyingly, every chance ASIC has used somewhat confidential info from the ICC tribunal to compile this.

It’s impossible to know whose pulling what strings anymore.
 
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I guess one question though is, how will this development impact upon any discussions or negotiations thats are being had with external parties that may be interested in purchasing AVZs interest in Manono.

Surely it will have some level of implications for any potential sale - beyond how our gleeful opposition will undoubtedly portray this, that is.

Every time things appear like there may be a glimmer of hope, then another negative bombshell hits.

Wouldn't mind getting off of this ride!
I don't see how this could affect our ownership of Dathcom and rights to the Manono deposit but I wonder how further legal disputes may affect our funding agreement with Mr Pei.
 

Wingy

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Hey ASIC. The SPA’s were completed. Looks like I need to add you dipshits to the list of idiots that don’t understand how contracts work lmao

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Didn't the court agree that AVZ own 75%
 

Flekman11

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Didn't the court agree that AVZ own 75%
Yeah the ICC did. But ASIC isn’t about ownership. They actually do, unfortunately have some valid points though.

Having said that, it is really just another attempt by someone to push the regulatory authorities to some sort of action. Slap on the wrist shit really for Nige and co.

You know all you need to know from those that published and spread the word with high fives within 30 mins of each other. Same old same old.
 
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Only issue is ASIC don’t give 2 fucks about ICC and arbitration law. They’re going the directors for non disclosure, to which I guess the directors will argue it’s immaterial as usual. Hard one.

Annoyingly, every chance ASIC has used somewhat confidential info from the ICC tribunal to compile this.

It’s impossible to know whose pulling what strings anymore.
Didn't the court agree that AVZ own 75%
I've never seen the SPA's. But I know for a fact that Article 2.1 of the SPA's and Cong's notary deeds says that this is gringo bullshit imo
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Hey ASIC. The SPA’s were completed. Looks like I need to add you dipshits to the list of idiots that don’t understand how contracts work lmao

Carlos, I agree that AVZ completed the required steps and the SPA's were completed as confirmed by the ICC. However, I think the issue is that Cong was using the corrupt DRC legal system to try to reverse the agreements and whether this attempt/dispute needed to be disclosed.

ASIC are stating that AVZ had not completed the acquisition:


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and there was a decision that went against us in the High Court of Lubumbashi:


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If court rulings/decisions to take a portion of our asset off us and destroy share certificates are made in the DRC, is this not material? If a court ruling goes against us in the DRC where our only asset is, then I think AVZ may have a very hard time arguing that it is just media speculation/spurious/immaterial.

I know that:
- the High Court of Lubumbashi should not have jurisdiction
- Cong likely bribed the judge
- they don't follow the rule of law
- AVZ did everything required to complete the SPA's

but these thieves attempting to illegally take the asset (or a portion of it) off us and disputing transactions, obtaining rulings in the corrupt DRC legal system, destroying share certificates etc, are still material pieces of information. Would you not think that ASIC would have a case that these dispute/s were material and should have been disclosed?

The whole plan to steal the asset off us by the DRC Government/CAMI/Cominiere/Zijin/Cong is completely illegal. However, the result is that AVZ simply cannot mine Manono. The result is that AVZ loses billions $$$. So regardless of whether it is illegal or not, whether this is how contracts should work or not, it is and was very, very material.

In your view, is the detail that will save us, the fact that the joint venture agreement required disputes to go to ICC to be resolved and therefore the High Court of Lubumbashi never had jurisdiction? Can it therefore simply be ignored and not disclosed?

I am going back and forth with this a bit.

- AVZ completed the required steps
- DRC court did not have jurisdiction
- ICC upheld AVZ's position

However, there are still a lot of things in here that I think shareholders would have certainly liked to know at the time. Do you think ASIC have any case that some of these items should have been disclosed?


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I really despise those who have ripped us off. My hope is that AVZ can still sell the asset in the near term.


Edit - the more I go over the list of items the better I feel about it. Dathomir's attempts to terminate the agreements, not accept payment etc...well ICC upheld AVZ's position, so tough shit. The Lubumbashi court did not have jurisdiction. I suppose the thing that would really solidify this attempt as being spurious is if AVZ had concrete evidence of corruption here, but that might be hard to obtain. I suppose the verdict being totally at odds with the ICC goes some way to showing this. I do agree with Item l, referring to there being significant risk about further performance, however I suppose this depends on the definition of performance. If DRC do not uphold their own rule of law or perform where required by law it is not really the fault of AVZ.
 
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