AVZ Discussion 2022

[Hudnut]

A few points of interest which I'm curious of other's opinions on. Apologies if these have been pointedly discussed, there's a lot to sift through to find information. To be clear, I have no agenda (I only have about 200,000 shares) and I'm just trying to fill in gaps in my understanding of the situation, paths forward, and potential outcomes.

1. I've seen talk of a potential class action lawsuit moving forward should a sale of AVZ be below the ATH share price. Is there any legal basis for this? If the company's sole asset is sold and funds distributed to shareholders, then litigation would be aimed at management for some kind of dereliction of responsibilities? If there are any shareholders here who bought in at a high price, is this a path you would pursue (I bought in early so I'm not interested in going this route)? Considering the unfathomable trials and tribulations that AVZ has been through over the past several years, would there really be any chance of winning?

2. Amongst the exhaustive talk regarding a buyout price, some believe AVZ should stick to arbitration should an offer be "too low". If that were the case, do you guys/gals believe that we would actually see any return on our investments regardless of time frame? Thus far the DRC have ignored court rulings and it doesn't seem there have been any significant consequences yet. I'm aware of the longer reach of the ICSID, however, could the DRC simply work with China and, financially at least, come out in a similar or better situation?

3. Some feel that the deposit will be stranded should we continue arbitration and this is leverage for a higher buyout price. Based on what has happened to the northern tenement, what recourse would we have if the same thing happened in the south and the DRC did nothing about it?

4. Again regarding the continued arbitration option, I've seen threats that should the AVZ case move forward, that corrupt actors in the DRC will be exposed. However, it sure seems that corruption is blatantly and shamefully obvious to the point of hilarity so this doesn't really seem like a convincing argument. Am I missing something?

TIA and here's hoping for a swift and rewarding resolution very soon!

200,000 shares at the last trade share price is $156K
Even at 1c it's $2K.
At 10c it's $20K

I can't believe anyone would be that ill informed with that amount of cash on the line.

 

[KentCStrait]

What a load of shit. Why aren't they mining it now if the don't care about ICSID. It has been measured and proven for 4 years.

They’re not mining it today because you don’t just roll up and start digging — you need infrastructure, financing, and logistics in place. That takes time. But the fact remains: KoBold has already signed an agreement with the DRC that clearly expresses their intent to mine the site. That alone shows how little the DRC cares about ICSID.

And just to be clear — even Zijin hasn’t started production in the north yet. They’re not slated to produce until 2026.

I stand by what I wrote: no matter what happens to us, by this time next year someone will be well underway to mining it. We’ve done all the planning for them — they just have to stroll in and start building.

Or hey, maybe you’re right and I’m talking shit. The DRC is a beacon of the rule of law, contracts are sacred, corruption doesn’t exist — and ICSID is the golden ticket that saves us all.

 

[Roger2018]

Doesnt china already own 30 odd percent of AVZ? isnt that what the voting % was with those MMGA losers? What im getting at is if a US company wants to buy it, Chinese shareholders are going to dig their heels in unless they get a fair price, they know the value of AVZ.

 

[cruiser51]

A few points of interest which I'm curious of other's opinions on. Apologies if these have been pointedly discussed, there's a lot to sift through to find information. To be clear, I have no agenda (I only have about 200,000 shares) and I'm just trying to fill in gaps in my understanding of the situation, paths forward, and potential outcomes.

1. I've seen talk of a potential class action lawsuit moving forward should a sale of AVZ be below the ATH share price. Is there any legal basis for this? If the company's sole asset is sold and funds distributed to shareholders, then litigation would be aimed at management for some kind of dereliction of responsibilities? If there are any shareholders here who bought in at a high price, is this a path you would pursue (I bought in early so I'm not interested in going this route)? Considering the unfathomable trials and tribulations that AVZ has been through over the past several years, would there really be any chance of winning?

2. Amongst the exhaustive talk regarding a buyout price, some believe AVZ should stick to arbitration should an offer be "too low". If that were the case, do you guys/gals believe that we would actually see any return on our investments regardless of time frame? Thus far the DRC have ignored court rulings and it doesn't seem there have been any significant consequences yet. I'm aware of the longer reach of the ICSID, however, could the DRC simply work with China and, financially at least, come out in a similar or better situation?

3. Some feel that the deposit will be stranded should we continue arbitration and this is leverage for a higher buyout price. Based on what has happened to the northern tenement, what recourse would we have if the same thing happened in the south and the DRC did nothing about it?

4. Again regarding the continued arbitration option, I've seen threats that should the AVZ case move forward, that corrupt actors in the DRC will be exposed. However, it sure seems that corruption is blatantly and shamefully obvious to the point of hilarity so this doesn't really seem like a convincing argument. Am I missing something?

TIA and here's hoping for a swift and rewarding resolution very soon!

Before talking about the Omnibridge class action, I would start with investigating what that class action is all about.
You could be wasting tour time.
I am just being kind here.

Taking in account your first posts on here where you wrote, you have held your shares for about 5 years, one can assume you paid between 5 and 10 cents for your shares.
So would you like to take the BOD to court if they sell let's say for 20 cents, or even worse for 10 cents?

Btw, I hope you worked out getting the shares registered in your own name, so you can receive your money when AVZ monetises its Manono Lithium and Tin discovery.

 

[Xerof]

They’re not mining it today because you don’t just roll up and start digging — you need infrastructure, financing, and logistics in place. That takes time. But the fact remains: KoBold has already signed an agreement with the DRC that clearly expresses their intent to mine the site. That alone shows how little the DRC cares about ICSID.

And just to be clear — even Zijin hasn’t started production in the north yet. They’re not slated to produce until 2026.

I stand by what I wrote: no matter what happens to us, by this time next year someone will be well underway to mining it. We’ve done all the planning for them — they just have to stroll in and start building.

Or hey, maybe you’re right and I’m talking shit. The DRC is a beacon of the rule of law, contracts are sacred, corruption doesn’t exist — and ICSID is the golden ticket that saves us all.

Yes, you’re talking shit
Kobold do not get it unless AVZ gets fair compensation. Otherwise ICSID for them too
I think AVZ would love DRC to sell it again, ideally to someone with decent assets at hand, and being a signatory to ICSID.

 

[cruiser51]

Doesnt china already own 30 odd percent of AVZ? isnt that what the voting % was with those MMGA losers? What im getting at is if a US company wants to buy it, Chinese shareholders are going to dig their heels in unless they get a fair price, they know the value of AVZ.

If you are a 30% owner of AVZ, regardless of the colour of you skin, or shape of your eyes, would you be happy if the BOD would sell your investment for 1, 10, or 50% of its true value, or would you support the BOD to fight for a fair deal?

Just an honest question.

 

[Xerof]

If you are a 30% owner of AVZ, regardless of the colour of you skin, or shape of your eyes, would you be happy if the BOD would sell your investment for 1, 10, or 50% of its true value, or would you support the BOD to fight for a fair deal?

Just an honest question.

When you have failed to steal the asset, of course you’d want the best return on your equity investment

Exactly what CATH’s done Kim

 

[cruiser51]

When you have failed to steal the asset, of course you’d want the best return on your equity investment

Exactly what CATH’s done Kim

roger

 

[Roger2018]

If you are a 30% owner of AVZ, regardless of the colour of you skin, or shape of your eyes, would you be happy if the BOD would sell your investment for 1, 10, or 50% of its true value, or would you support the BOD to fight for a fair deal?

Just an honest question

Thats kind of what im getting at, people here stressing about low ball offers being accepted. At the end of the day china aint going to part with their 30% for bread crumbs or a bowl of rice.

 

[Hudnut]

They’re not mining it today because you don’t just roll up and start digging — you need infrastructure, financing, and logistics in place. That takes time. But the fact remains: KoBold has already signed an agreement with the DRC that clearly expresses their intent to mine the site. That alone shows how little the DRC cares about ICSID.

And just to be clear — even Zijin hasn’t started production in the north yet. They’re not slated to produce until 2026.

I stand by what I wrote: no matter what happens to us, by this time next year someone will be well underway to mining it. We’ve done all the planning for them — they just have to stroll in and start building.

Or hey, maybe you’re right and I’m talking shit. The DRC is a beacon of the rule of law, contracts are sacred, corruption doesn’t exist — and ICSID is the golden ticket that saves us all.

Producing and mining aren't the same thing.

And this shitshow has been going for a few years. More than enough time to get started.

Don't be obtuse.

 

[Slipperysucker]

19 Aug 2025

M23-DR Congo peace talks in Doha stalled: What next?

Both sides accuse the other of violating the terms of an earlier deal mediated by Qatar.

www.aljazeera.com

The rebel group M23 and the government of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) have failed to sign a final peace accord scheduled for Monday after the rebels accused the Congolese army of breaking an earlier agreement intended to lead to a full peace deal.
Monday’s scheduled talks were part of a series of negotiations mediated by Qatar. Both sides were required to be in Doha to sign what was supposed to be a concluding peace pact.

I created a new avatar for you @tolate - thank me later!

 

[Rechnerhand]

Trafigura-led consortium aims to finalise US loan deal by end-2025 - Lobito corridor happy, Kobold happy ... transportation of Li (Added value) no pain point afterwards (do not forget the Tin)

 

[pow4ade]

I think certain shareholders are overly emotional given everything we've been through and looking for vengeance. And I certainly understand that. But I really don't care. It's not my fight. I just want my money so I can move on with my life.

The emotion seems to be directly related to the size of one's financial exposure. Holding a relatively modest parcel, mostly free carried, I'm more sanguine about the outcome which affords me a healthy measure of objectivity I feel.

Yet some of the more strident voices would have got set early with a killer average, only to then chase the run-up to a dollar or more, and blowing their average before getting trapped by the TH.

Hence the mutterings of class-actions, vengeance against corrupt actors, ridicule of fellow holders as trolls, plus threats to journos, and their families! Rather than take personal responsibility for their reckless investing, it's someone's else fault.

Even an embarrassing public plea by NF for some self-restraint is ignored!? Clown world.

 

[tolate]

I created a new avatar for you @tolate - thank me later!

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Gee looks like SLIPPERY SUCKER...!! WHO IS IT..????
Can you take his make up off...!
Nothing has been UPDATED by AVZ or NIGEL

 

[tolate]

Trafigura-led consortium aims to finalise US loan deal by end-2025 - Lobito corridor happy, Kobold happy ... transportation of Li (Added value) no pain point afterwards (do not forget the Tin)

Maybe he could help NIGE to get back on track...!...imo
Lets dont forget the TIN MAN..!...imo

 

[tolate]

I created a new avatar for you @tolate - thank me later!

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https://www.npr.org/2025/08/20/nx-s1-5508633/drc-rwanda-hrw-trump

Massacres in eastern Congo cast doubt on U.S. mediated peace deal​

August 20, 20255:16 PM ET...Now who is the REAL CLOWN ...imo
KINSHASA, Democratic Republic of Congo — Rwandan backed M23 rebels in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo killed 141 villagers in July, Human Rights Watch said Wednesday, despite hopes that President Trump-backed peace talks would end long-running violence in the troubled region.

 

[Xerof]

Still you

 

[Bin59]

https://x.com/KiengeKki/status/1958013673651257478

KIKI KIENGE

@KiengeKki

8pm

Implementation of the Doha process!

Exceeding the expected deadline

The deadline for concluding a comprehensive peace agreement was August 18. This deadline was not met, raising concerns about a possible interruption of the process.

Obstacles to the preconditions of the M23

Before resuming discussions, the M23 movement calls for the prior execution of essential commitments, including the release of detainees.

As for the Congolese government, it perceives this issue as a negotiating point rather than a precondition.

A draft agreement transmitted on August 19 to both parties by Qatar:

Implementation phases with clear timetable:

Day 0: Signing of the agreement.

+30 days: first meeting of the Multilateral Monitoring Mechanism.

+60 days: end of Phase I.

+120 days: end of Phase II.

+180 days: end of Phase III.

Post-agreement calendar:

2026: launch of a national dialogue and implementation of an Economic Recovery Plan.

2027: organization of free, fair and transparent elections in the affected region.

Implementation of key mechanisms:

Creation of an Interim Special Force, with a 5-year renewable mandate if necessary (section 8.a).

Development of a Comprehensive Economic Recovery Plan, to be announced before the end of Phase III (Article 15).

Establishment of a Mechanism of Truth and Reconciliation before the conclusion of Phase III (Article 16).

Kiki #Kienge

 

[tolate]

Still you

You should appreciate others doing your RESEARCH for YOU...!
Better than going to NIGHT CLASSES and learn NOTHING..!!

 

[tolate]

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