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wombat74

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How that prick isn't in Jail or sacked at the very least is incomprehensible.
And this all happens after the supposed leaked US document which I've posted before but amidst the chaos we've just endured so some may have missed it:

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The document discusses identified conflicts of interest within the Congolese negotiation team during confidential talks between the United States and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) regarding an agreement on essential minerals. Key points include:

General Context
On April 3, 2025, in Kinshasa, Massad Boulos, senior advisor for Africa at the U.S. State Department and special envoy of President Trump, met with Félix-Antoine Tshisekedi, President of the DRC. Both parties expressed a mutual desire to strengthen economic relations. Boulos announced that a preliminary agreement had been reached on a strategic framework between the two countries, prioritizing diplomatic and industrial collaboration.

Identified Conflicts of Interest
Three individuals within the Congolese negotiation team raise serious concerns:

Patrick Mpoyi Luabeya

Special envoy of President Tshisekedi, advisor, and director of Sino-Congolaise des Mines (Sicomines SA), largely owned by Chinese companies.
Holds indirect interests in Chinese mining projects and has been involved in negotiations with Dan Gertler, under U.S. sanctions.
Major risk: structural conflict of interest with Chinese strategic interests and potential disclosure of sensitive information to Beijing.
Lisette Kabanga Tshibwabwa

Chairwoman of Cominière SA, linked to a controversial transaction favoring Zijin Mining (China) over AVZ Minerals.
Allegedly facilitated illegal acquisition of exploration permits and pressured the Mines Minister to issue exploitation permits to Chinese entities.
Her financial ties to Chinese interests pose risks of obstruction and manipulation in negotiations.
Célestin Kibeya

Director General of Cominière SA, involved in the illegal sale of Cominière’s stake in Dathcom Mining to Zijin, violating AVZ Minerals’ preemption rights.
Arrested in 2022 for corruption, undermining his credibility.
Strategic Questions for the U.S.
The lithium deposits in Manono and other assets are critical for U.S. supply chains. Resolving disputes between AVZ Minerals and Cominière over exploration permits is essential for advancing the agreement and attracting investments.

Risks of Status Quo

Disclosure of sensitive information to Chinese competitors.
Strategic obstruction of agreements with Western actors.
Damage to U.S. credibility if individuals suspected of corruption remain involved.
Operational Recommendations

Official Request for Replacement

The U.S. should recommend replacing individuals suspected of conflicts of interest or corruption.
Neutral and Credible Representatives

The Congolese side should appoint independent representatives unaffiliated with foreign interests, especially Chinese.
Enhanced Oversight

Establish a joint ethical and strategic review mechanism to prevent undue influence.
Diplomatic Conditionality

U.S. support for the agreement should be contingent on good governance, including the return of exploration permits to Dathcom Mining.
Conclusion
The DRC is a strategic partner for the U.S. in securing essential mineral supply chains. Success depends on institutional reliability, clear commitments, and stakeholder integrity. It is counterproductive to have individuals influenced by competing interests, particularly China, leading critical negotiations.

Authored by Nathanaël Huri, Independent Business Journalist/USA-Africa.
So Felix goes to Trump for help .He makes a proposal around security for minerals deal . Trump sends his man to the DRC . They further advance the nuts and bolts of the deal that also morphs into DRC/Rwanda peace arrangement. US/DRC agree on a timeline . China pops their head up . A few criminal DRC Ministers decide to voice objections to a DRC/US collaboration . Felix tells Trump I'm very sorry but I've changed my mind . Trump says to Felix , no worries Fatso the USA loves a f--k over by the Chinese and a Third World shit hole that relies on Charity from the West for it's very existence. Thanks for the invite all the same and for providing your Chinese masters control of the world's strategic mineral supply for the next hundred years .Oh and by the way. That little railway line ? Yeh we going to fast track it for you so you can get your beautiful minerals to port asap. Thanks for the invite all the same We'll catch you on the flip side . If you are in Washington around Christmas please pop into the White House for drinks . xxxxxooooo
 
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USA are the most powerful nation on earth, so they call the shots (up to a point). The US have ruled out troops but specifically mentioned training and stationing specialists in DRC. The surveillance and battlefield intelligence the US can provide (not to mention the weapons and equipment) could easily shift the balance of power. If one side is being very cooperative and one side isn't, how much support will the US provide to that side so they can operate from a much higher position of strength?

If peace cannot be achieved through diplomacy, it can be achieved through the sword.
Additional to that assistance I recall the US indicating their intention to also create two military air bases in the DRC...for US mine security, of course. ;)
 
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Spot of bother for Constant Mutamba:

Newspapers in the Democratic Republic of Congo, including the Congolese News Agency, are repeating a statement from the Prosecutor General on Monday, which ordered that the country's Minister of Justice be banned from leaving the capital Kinshasa while he is expected to face trial.

https://www.bbc.com/gahuza/articles/c9wgw9xq27no
 
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Presenter here claiming that in last week Kabila has disappeared from Goma, likely sought asylum elsewhere after visit from US officials arriving via chopper.

Also Kagame appears to be dogging the peace signing by chucking a sickie, also hasn't been seen lol. So US now decreed that peace agreement to be signed by respective foreign ministers to ensue the deal closes by July.

Fun and games, will make a great movie one day:

(from 7:30)
https://www.youtube.com/live/FiC0D_tGQqg?si=QdZWaGPv31pI17DD
 
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If we are truly back to regular transmission here, surely the easiest way to keep trolls away would be to switch off the ability for any new signups to the forum
 
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If we are truly back to regular transmission here, surely the easiest way to keep trolls away would be to switch off the ability for any new signups to the forum
I would now emerge from the shadows. Doing a slow clap…..so you’re saying you want to eliminate the trolls. Well sir you have the solution.
 

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Zeeb0t has implemented some new sign-up protocols. Closing the site to new entrants isn’t in his interest. And a new feature on the front page is Latest Member 👀👀
 
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"Nor‬‭ is‬‭ it‬‭ likely‬‭ that‬‭ the‬‭ current‬‭ BYD/CATL‬‭ oligopsony‬‭ will‬‭ be‬‭ able‬‭ to‬‭ subsidize‬‭ their‬‭ downstream‬‭ operations‬ without‬‭ paying‬‭ up‬‭ to‬‭ buy‬‭ new‬‭ upstream‬‭ projects‬‭ ‬‭ the‬‭ market‬‭ is‬‭ simply‬‭ growing‬‭ too‬‭ fast‬‭ off‬‭ a‬‭ low‬‭ base.‬‭ 90%‬‭ of‬ the‬‭ proceeds‬‭ from‬‭ CATL’s‬‭ $4.5B‬‭ Hong‬‭ Kong‬‭ IPO‬‭ are‬‭ going‬‭ to‬‭ build‬‭ its‬‭ 100GWH‬‭ factory‬‭ in‬‭ Hungary‬‭ which‬‭ alone‬ will‬‭ require‬‭ 70,000‬‭ new‬‭ LCEs‬‭ in‬‭ 2-3‬‭ years.‬‭ Even‬‭ if‬‭ Rio‬‭‬‭ which‬‭ has‬‭ exploration‬‭ assets‬‭ in‬‭ Rwanda‬‭ ‭ steps‬‭ into‬‭ the‬‭ DRC‬‭ as‬‭ rumored‬‭ to‬‭ partner‬‭ with‬‭ KoBold‬‭ to‬‭ buy‬‭ and‬‭ build‬‭ AVZ‬‭’s‬‭ Monster‬‭ of‬‭ Manono,‬‭ the‬‭ 100,000‬‭ LCEs‬‭ from‬‭ that‬ Simandou of Lithium should be easily absorbed toward the end of this decade.‬"

R K Equity Lithium report

This firm has not mentioned AVZ until now..
 
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BEISHA

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Any chance we can get back to talking about AVZ ?
Currently ( apparently) the experts from DRC and Rawanda are in Washington discussing the draft peace agreement with the aim of said agreement being signed sometime this coming week ( 15 th and on ).
Hard to see how this is going to get done but i do remain hopeful. Anyone have any news re the progression of the current negotiations ?
Anyone have any news re the progression of the current negotiations ?

Yes unfortunately and apologies if this has been sent prior.....




Not sure we are going to see a deal for some time yet, rwanda looking for a win win, circumstances not to their liking......

Or is this fake news ?

Bring on ICSID regardless, time AVZ applies the bunsen burner

Just another....

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Some of @Dave Evans posts/threads were deleted yesterday by a user named Yathoughtyaseenme after threats were made. Luckily @Hudnut and others have backed up Dave's posts and threads. Here's what we're up against here...

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This poster has been systematically deleting posts and threads for weeks. Some posters will consider this off topic but it is a clear threat to this entire site. @zeeb0t is asleep at the wheel & no longer moderating any posts.
This "person" has multiple user accounts and has made threats/doxxed other users on TSE.
I hope the areshole gets prosecuted !

@zeeb0t
 
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wombat74

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Anyone have any news re the progression of the current negotiations ?

Yes unfortunately and apologies if this has been sent prior.....




Not sure we are going to see a deal for some time yet, rwanda looking for a win win, circumstances not to their liking......

Bring on ICSID.

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If we are waiting for Rwanda to get their sh1t together , I don't see why Nigel would pull the ICSID trigger . AVZ beef is with the DRC .Can only trigger ICSID if the DRC won't play ball.
 
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BEISHA

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If we are waiting for Rwanda to get their sh1t together , I don't see why Nigel would pull the ICSID trigger . AVZ beef is with the DRC .Can only trigger ICSID if the DRC won't play ball.
So what are we going to do if rwanda dont want to play ball ?

Peace deal requires Rwanda to withdraw troops, no peace deal no Kobold ?

How do we know DRC arnt playing games ?
 
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wombat74

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So what are we going to do if rwanda dont want to play ball ?

Peace deal requires Rwanda to withdraw troops, no peace deal no Kobold ?

How do we know DRC arnt playing games ?
It's going to need more time to establish one way or the other. Felix reached out to Trump .
 
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So what are we going to do if rwanda dont want to play ball ?

Peace deal requires Rwanda to withdraw troops, no peace deal no Kobold ?

How do we know DRC arnt playing games ?
I thought we saw Rwanda troops withdrawing last week? That would mean Rwanda are stalling for sweeteners in the deal.
 
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