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pow4ade

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US don't get to dictate squat until they stump up some cash.

No China IF usa buys.
But still possibly China as alternative.

Call the framework with CATH what you will, there were terms set out in an agreement to develop the project with CATH's cash in a way that's still beneficial to AVZ.

Until Kobold betters that deal they can sucks an egg
You're relying on the pre-Trump arrangement. Things have changed and will remain so unless China's counters with their own security for minerals offer.

Thus right now FT is beholden to Trump's dictates which includes no China involvement in RD.

Repeat after me: Trump is my saviour. :)
 
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Skar

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We don't have a partnership with CATH. Rather we have an agreement subject to certain conditions being met. Namely a ML to AVZ, which won't be happening now.

Further, the US has stipulated there be no Comminere or Chinese involvement in the RD structure. Hence under the Kobold proposal China only gets the North.

CATH is not only out but outplayed lol. But thanks for the unsecured $10 million. :)

AVZ is conscious of the broader geopolitical challenges in achieving a resolution in
relation to the Manono Project, however it appreciates the opportunity that has emerged to explore a resolution of the current issues relating to the Manono Project, which it will continue to pursue in a constructive and open manner in the best interests of its shareholders and other key stakeholders, including Suzhou CATH Energy Technologies.

CATH certainly seemed to be cutting their losses when AVZ were struggling for litigation funding and only came through with slightly better terms at the last mile when we had the other vultures money secured. Still they are a key stakeholder, I still wonder if NF is using them for leverage or if they have been as supportive as indicated.... were they part of the board spill drama?
 
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Bonsoir

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You're relying on the pre-Trump arrangement. Things have changed and will remain so unless China's counters with their own security for minerals offer.

Thus right now FT is beholden to Trump's dictates which includes no China involvement in RD.

Repeat after me: Trump is my saviour. :)
Ah that maybe true to a certain extent but if kobolds offer is insufficient we move onto Arbitration ( not my preferred path )

We get desired Arbitration outcome and wait for next offer from kobold or any other interested parties.

Repeat after me : Nigel is my saviour.
 
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pow4ade

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Ah that maybe true to a certain extent but if kobolds offer is insufficient we move onto Arbitration ( not my preferred path )

We get desired Arbitration outcome and wait for next offer from kobold or any other interested parties.

Repeat after me : Nigel is my saviour.
It would be fair to assume other western aligned players are waiting in the wings if Kobolds deal is deemed insufficient.

Hence if we resume arbitration it would only until such time that a more favourable deal is secured. At which point arbitration would be discontinued.

And yes, Nigel is our saviour, too.
 
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KMoney

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Apology accepted. I should have said hello first. Fingers crossed we can all share a virtual round of the top shelf soon!
Your timing was not good to emerge on TSE with all these trolls emerging recently, I apologise if you are not a troll.
 
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KMoney

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ptlas

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Ah that maybe true to a certain extent but if kobolds offer is insufficient we move onto Arbitration ( not my preferred path )

We get desired Arbitration outcome and wait for next offer from kobold or any other interested parties.

Repeat after me : Nigel is my saviour.
One potential problem with Trump is that a deal is foisted on DRC whereby KoBold is given sole access to Manono (or S. Manono).

Once again AVZ would be between the proverbial rock..... Accept KoBold's potentially derisory offer, or attempt to get another partner that has no military protection because it's not KoBold.

Trump is not your saviour. Possibly.
 
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Bonsoir

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One potential problem with Trump is that a deal is foisted on DRC whereby KoBold is given sole access to Manono (or S. Manono).

Once again AVZ would be between the proverbial rock..... Accept KoBold's potentially derisory offer, or attempt to get another partner that has no military protection because it's not KoBold.

Trump is not your saviour. Possibly.
Trump is the mule that carries our saviour in Nigel.
 
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JNRB

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You're relying on the pre-Trump arrangement. Things have changed and will remain so unless China's counters with their own security for minerals offer.

Thus right now FT is beholden to Trump's dictates which includes no China involvement in RD.

Repeat after me: Trump is my saviour. :)
Trumps influence may well be a game changer for us .
OR
TACO.

Nothing happened yet.
Also, the agreement is "no Chinese involvement in Manono IF USA BUYS IT".
Manono is the jewel in the crown of the usa-drc agreement, but not tis entire scope. They can only block China out ONCE THEY BUY IT ie after we have been given an offer that we can accept.
There is nothing in the usa-drc deal that stops them doing business with China still.

1. It's entirely plausible that usa could increase there investments in DRC under the umbrella of a security agreement AND manono still gets developed with AVZ/CATH without us involvement.

2. It's hopefully redundant speculation because would only happen if KoBold made a stupidly low offer, which I think they are too smart for and able to see the bigger picture.

3. All that is just to say though that in out negotiations with Kobold we don't just get down on our knees and accept whatever they give us. We have other viable options now, its on KoBold to offer something better.
 
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Xerof

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Where are they?
 
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wombat74

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It's already a done deal with Kobold . Hinges now on the DRC gov not giving it the f--k around. IMO
 
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PhatCatz

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Zijin! are you reading this? Better get ready to pay up.
 
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Bin59

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“As others have posted Manono is a project that has a 50+yr LOM , money making machine, the ultimate lithium package that cannot be matched for sheer grade & scale, lithium spot is shit, but it wont remain like that for too much longer, therefore a tight arse offer wont cut it no matter what

Spot on @BEISHA, Kobold Metals’ Josh Goldman sees the long term value in large projects like ours, in 2024 he said:

We care enormously what the price of these commodities is in 2035 and we don't care what it is in 2024," Goldman stated, stating that the company has enough capital to focus on the long-term investment. He believed that lack of capital is not an issue but rather a lack of availability of high-quality projects”

AVZ’s Manono project is a high quality project with studies completed - we want a fair price!

 
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JNRB

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The other viable options. We’d sniff them on the breeze….
It was abundantly evident the other viable option I was referring to was progressing the project with CATH. So instead of sniffing the breeze why don't you tell me why you don't think that's viable? That was certainly the consensus here when it was announced.
 
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wombat74

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As part of formal discussions with the Congolese authorities: KOBOLD METALS invited to consult without delay COMINIERE SA, the legitimate holder of the mining titles, and the Mining Cadastre

ByDieudonne BUANALI

June 2, 2025 #Mining_Cadastre, #Cominière_SA, #Félix_Tshisekedi, #Kobold_Metals,#DRC
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The Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) has been sufficiently informed, through the press and public communications published on social networks, on May 6, 2025, of the signing of a preliminary agreement between KoBold Metals Company and AVZ Minerals Ltd., aimed at acquiring the latter's commercial interests in the Manono lithium deposit development project. This recent development has obliged the Congolese authorities, through the Ministry of Mines, to recall the obligation to strictly comply with Congolese laws in this area, in particular the following legal and institutional provisions on the Competent Authority, the mandatory consent of the State, the role of Congolaise d'exploitation minière (COMINIERE SA), the right of pre-emption, respect for good governance and transparency, the role of the Mining Cadastre (CAMI) and compliance with DRC-USA bilateral commitments.
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Competent authority
Pursuant to Article 8 of the Congolese Mining Code (Law No. 007/2002 as amended and supplemented by Law No. 18/001 of March 9, 2018), the Minister of Mines is the competent authority for the examination, granting, modification, renewal, transfer, or withdrawal of mining and quarry rights. From concordant sources and after cross-checking information, Geopolis Hebdo has learned that to date, the Ministry of Mines has not received any notification or solicitation from KoBold Metals or any other investor in connection with the aforementioned agreements.
Mandatory State Consent
Under Article 78 of the Mining Code, any change in the shareholding of a mining rights holder, particularly in the context of a joint venture involving the State, requires the prior consent of the competent authority. In this case, the Congolese State is a shareholder in the entities concerned, and its consent is essential.
Role of COMINIERE SA, legitimate interlocutor
COMINIÈRE SA, a majority-public company with the National Social Security Fund (CNSS) and the Ministry of Portfolio holding 90% and 10% respectively, is and remains the holder of the mining titles relating to the Manono lithium deposit located in the province of Tanganyika and its surrounding areas. According to the law, COMINIÈRE SA is the sole legitimate interlocutor for any approach concerning the exploitation of its mineral resources. Under the principle of permanent sovereignty over natural resources (UN General Assembly Resolution 1803), any private initiative that fails to consult COMINIÈRE SA and national institutions constitutes unacceptable interference in the sovereign affairs of the DRC.
Right of pre-emption
Under OHADA common law on commercial companies (Uniform Act relating to the law of commercial companies and economic interest groups), in particular Article 765, the partners of a company have a right of pre-emption in the event of a transfer of shares. "This right must be exercised before any external transfer, which was not respected in this case," according to a source close to the case.
Good governance and transparency
Regarding good governance and transparency, the Congolese Mining Code requires transparent and accountable procedures, in compliance with the law. The conclusion of a repurchase agreement with a company (Editor's note: AVZ Minerals) currently involved in arbitration proceedings against the DRC and COMINIERE SA constitutes a serious breach of the principle of contractual good faith, enshrined in Article 1134 of the Congolese Civil Code, applicable through OHADA law.
Role of the Mining Cadastre not to be ignored
The Mining Registry is the gateway, the obligatory passage for any company wishing to invest in the mining sector in the DRC. Interested parties must consult the CAMI, the technical body responsible for managing the mining sector, to verify the legal and administrative status of the titles they are seeking.
Respect for bilateral commitments between the DRC and the USA
The DRC Government, through the Ministry of Mines, must remind KoBold Metals that the DRC and the United States of America, bound by a long-standing economic partnership, are engaged in a strategic dialogue aimed at strengthening this economic partnership around equitable cooperation that respects the institutions and laws of each country. Any American company operating in the DRC is required to observe the principles that guide the DRC-United States of America economic partnership, namely respect for the sovereignty of each party, transparency, and good governance.
Indeed, the partnership between the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and the United States began in 1960, after the DRC gained independence from Belgium. The United States established diplomatic relations with the DRC at that time. Over the years, this partnership has grown through various agreements and initiatives, including development assistance, trade, investment, and the fight against polio: 1) Trade and Investment Agreements:
The United States and the DRC signed a bilateral investment treaty in 1984, which entered into force in 1989. The DRC is also part of the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA), with which the United States has signed a framework agreement on trade and investment; 2) Development Assistance: The United States provides assistance to the DRC in various areas, including the fight against polio and the promotion of responsible and sustainable mining practices; 3) Privileged Partnership: In 2019, the United States and the DRC launched the "Privileged Partnership for Peace and Prosperity" aimed at strengthening democratic institutions, improving respect for human rights, and promoting peace in eastern DRC; 4) Mineral Partnerships: The United States is in discussions with the DRC to establish partnerships on rare minerals, including cobalt and lithium, in exchange for security assistance.
In view of the above, KoBold Metals is invited by the competent Congolese authorities to: 1) Suspend all steps, carried out outside the legal framework, relating to the purchase of AVZ's interests; 2) Initiate formal discussions with the competent Congolese authorities, and finally; 3) Consult without delay COMINIÈRE, the legitimate holder of the mining titles, as well as the Mining Cadastre (CAMI).
With this injunction, which serves as a reminder, the DRC Government reaffirms that it remains open to any foreign investment that complies with the legislation, in particular the Congolese Mining Code and the rules of international and community law (OHADA) applicable in the DRC. Any company wishing to participate in the development of the mining sector in the DRC is welcome, as long as it respects national institutions and advances the interests of the Congolese people.
In its response to the letter, KoBold Metals, which is eyeing AVZ Minerals' commercial interests in the Manono lithium deposit, has fully committed, since May 12, to respecting the laws, regulations and economic sovereignty of the DRC over its soil and subsoil, including the rights to be acquired in the near future.
 
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Doc

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As part of formal discussions with the Congolese authorities: KOBOLD METALS invited to consult without delay COMINIERE SA, the legitimate holder of the mining titles, and the Mining Cadastre​

ByDieudonne BUANALI

June 2, 2025 #Mining_Cadastre, #Cominière_SA, #Félix_Tshisekedi, #Kobold_Metals,#DRC

WhatsApp-Image-2025-06-01-at-18.50.46.jpeg.webp

The Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) has been sufficiently informed, through the press and public communications published on social networks, on May 6, 2025, of the signing of a preliminary agreement between KoBold Metals Company and AVZ Minerals Ltd., aimed at acquiring the latter's commercial interests in the Manono lithium deposit development project. This recent development has obliged the Congolese authorities, through the Ministry of Mines, to recall the obligation to strictly comply with Congolese laws in this area, in particular the following legal and institutional provisions on the Competent Authority, the mandatory consent of the State, the role of Congolaise d'exploitation minière (COMINIERE SA), the right of pre-emption, respect for good governance and transparency, the role of the Mining Cadastre (CAMI) and compliance with DRC-USA bilateral commitments.
WhatsApp-Image-2025-06-01-at-18.51.07-1.jpeg.webp
WhatsApp-Image-2025-06-01-at-18.51.07-1024x768.jpeg.webp

Competent authority
Pursuant to Article 8 of the Congolese Mining Code (Law No. 007/2002 as amended and supplemented by Law No. 18/001 of March 9, 2018), the Minister of Mines is the competent authority for the examination, granting, modification, renewal, transfer, or withdrawal of mining and quarry rights. From concordant sources and after cross-checking information, Geopolis Hebdo has learned that to date, the Ministry of Mines has not received any notification or solicitation from KoBold Metals or any other investor in connection with the aforementioned agreements.
Mandatory State Consent
Under Article 78 of the Mining Code, any change in the shareholding of a mining rights holder, particularly in the context of a joint venture involving the State, requires the prior consent of the competent authority. In this case, the Congolese State is a shareholder in the entities concerned, and its consent is essential.
Role of COMINIERE SA, legitimate interlocutor
COMINIÈRE SA, a majority-public company with the National Social Security Fund (CNSS) and the Ministry of Portfolio holding 90% and 10% respectively, is and remains the holder of the mining titles relating to the Manono lithium deposit located in the province of Tanganyika and its surrounding areas. According to the law, COMINIÈRE SA is the sole legitimate interlocutor for any approach concerning the exploitation of its mineral resources. Under the principle of permanent sovereignty over natural resources (UN General Assembly Resolution 1803), any private initiative that fails to consult COMINIÈRE SA and national institutions constitutes unacceptable interference in the sovereign affairs of the DRC.
Right of pre-emption
Under OHADA common law on commercial companies (Uniform Act relating to the law of commercial companies and economic interest groups), in particular Article 765, the partners of a company have a right of pre-emption in the event of a transfer of shares. "This right must be exercised before any external transfer, which was not respected in this case," according to a source close to the case.
Good governance and transparency
Regarding good governance and transparency, the Congolese Mining Code requires transparent and accountable procedures, in compliance with the law. The conclusion of a repurchase agreement with a company (Editor's note: AVZ Minerals) currently involved in arbitration proceedings against the DRC and COMINIERE SA constitutes a serious breach of the principle of contractual good faith, enshrined in Article 1134 of the Congolese Civil Code, applicable through OHADA law.
Role of the Mining Cadastre not to be ignored
The Mining Registry is the gateway, the obligatory passage for any company wishing to invest in the mining sector in the DRC. Interested parties must consult the CAMI, the technical body responsible for managing the mining sector, to verify the legal and administrative status of the titles they are seeking.
Respect for bilateral commitments between the DRC and the USA
The DRC Government, through the Ministry of Mines, must remind KoBold Metals that the DRC and the United States of America, bound by a long-standing economic partnership, are engaged in a strategic dialogue aimed at strengthening this economic partnership around equitable cooperation that respects the institutions and laws of each country. Any American company operating in the DRC is required to observe the principles that guide the DRC-United States of America economic partnership, namely respect for the sovereignty of each party, transparency, and good governance.
Indeed, the partnership between the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and the United States began in 1960, after the DRC gained independence from Belgium. The United States established diplomatic relations with the DRC at that time. Over the years, this partnership has grown through various agreements and initiatives, including development assistance, trade, investment, and the fight against polio: 1) Trade and Investment Agreements:
The United States and the DRC signed a bilateral investment treaty in 1984, which entered into force in 1989. The DRC is also part of the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA), with which the United States has signed a framework agreement on trade and investment; 2) Development Assistance: The United States provides assistance to the DRC in various areas, including the fight against polio and the promotion of responsible and sustainable mining practices; 3) Privileged Partnership: In 2019, the United States and the DRC launched the "Privileged Partnership for Peace and Prosperity" aimed at strengthening democratic institutions, improving respect for human rights, and promoting peace in eastern DRC; 4) Mineral Partnerships: The United States is in discussions with the DRC to establish partnerships on rare minerals, including cobalt and lithium, in exchange for security assistance.
In view of the above, KoBold Metals is invited by the competent Congolese authorities to: 1) Suspend all steps, carried out outside the legal framework, relating to the purchase of AVZ's interests; 2) Initiate formal discussions with the competent Congolese authorities, and finally; 3) Consult without delay COMINIÈRE, the legitimate holder of the mining titles, as well as the Mining Cadastre (CAMI).
With this injunction, which serves as a reminder, the DRC Government reaffirms that it remains open to any foreign investment that complies with the legislation, in particular the Congolese Mining Code and the rules of international and community law (OHADA) applicable in the DRC. Any company wishing to participate in the development of the mining sector in the DRC is welcome, as long as it respects national institutions and advances the interests of the Congolese people.
In its response to the letter, KoBold Metals, which is eyeing AVZ Minerals' commercial interests in the Manono lithium deposit, has fully committed, since May 12, to respecting the laws, regulations and economic sovereignty of the DRC over its soil and subsoil, including the rights to be acquired in the near future.
He’s a muppet
 
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