BRN Discussion Ongoing

[Fullmoonfever]

Is it fair to say then that Qualcomm could still want to integrate Brainchip into their products and this is why they have put a stop to others using us through edge impulse ?.

Not sure it has been confirmed it Qualcomms doing. It was suggested as a possible reason I thought?

I find it hard to believe that they could actually do that as could be potentially seen as anticompetitive I would have thought and the exisiting Akida models are still allowed to be used, just not new Dev at the mo.

My questions is whether maybe an update to the models or additional capabilities to include 2.0 availability to play with or integration in some way to engage the Qualcomm foundries.io and other toolchains they now offer?

None of the other products like NVIDIA etc through EI appear affected at this point.

 

[manny100]

Is it fair to say then that Qualcomm could still want to integrate Brainchip into their products and this is why they have put a stop to others using us through edge impulse ?.

If Qualcomm want a piece of Neuromorphic at the Edge they will look to us.
The great thing about BRN from a client point of view is they can use 1000 knowing that they can move up fairly seamlessly to Gen2/TENNs as they improve existing or develop new products..
In the meantime just like us maybe Qualcomm are waiting until Edge AI demand picks up significantly before getting serious.

 

[Papacass]

Hi Papacass,

You've misremembered:

BrainChip Receives First Shipment of AKD1500 Chips in Silicon from Technology Partner GlobalFoundries - BrainChip

"It is Akida 2 that has been on again - off again".

Thanks for getting back to me, mate. Yeah, I’ve been schooled.
Cheers.

 

[7für7]

If Qualcomm want a piece of Neuromorphic at the Edge they will look to us.
The great thing about BRN from a client point of view is they can use 1000 knowing that they can move up fairly seamlessly to Gen2/TENNs as they improve existing or develop new products..
In the meantime just like us maybe Qualcomm are waiting until Edge AI demand picks up significantly before getting serious.

The other thing is…I don’t think it’s a bad idea to pause or stop the tools with Edge Impulse for now. I think it’s a smart move to first figure out where Qualcomm is heading. The industry is currently in a “grow or die” mindset, and it’s better not to reveal too much about one’s technology until the new terms are negotiated. The contracts or agreements between Brainchip and Edge Impulse are now null and void, and everything is on pause. It will be interesting to see how things unfold. Hmmm how about an direkt license agreement with Qualcomm?

 

[Diogenese]

I don't see why not—unless Qualcomm is already working on a new iteration of Snapdragon that incorporates features similar to AKIDA. How feasible that is, I'm not entirely sure.

As far as I know, the current Snapdragon product isn't neuromorphic, isn't event-based, doesn't operate at ultra-low power, and doesn’t support real-time on-device learning.

Judd Heape, VP of Product Management for Camera, Computer Vision, and Video at Qualcomm Technologies, was quoted in a June 2023 EE Times article saying, “These event-based sensors are much more efficient because they can be programmed to easily detect motion at very low power. When there’s no movement or change in the scene, the sensor consumes almost no power. So that’s really interesting to us.”

In that context, he was referring to Prophesee and image-based sensors, but the underlying principle still applies I would have thought—event-based sensors just make sense. And AKIDA is event-based.

We also know that a drone company is exploring a combination of AKIDA and Prophesee’s camera. Not Snapdragon. That says something.

So why wouldn’t Qualcomm want to integrate our technology to gain a foothold in new markets—especially ones that are battery-powered and highly power-constrained? Surely paying for a licence would be chicken feed for the likes of Qualcomm, so I honestly don't know why they wouldn't be considering it.

Maybe someone with deeper technical insight can weigh in here.




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EETimes article about Prophesee-Qualcomm deal

Full article here: https://www.eetimes.com/experts-weigh-impact-of-prophesee-qualcomm-deal/ Experts Weigh Impact of Prophesee-Qualcomm Deal ...

image-sensors-world.blogspot.com

Hi Bravo,

Qualcomm sees NPUs as applicable to low power devices, preferring to use CPU/GPU where latency is an issue (CPU), or where LLMs are concerned (GPU):

Qualcomm Hexagon AI Hybrid processor selection

https://www.qualcomm.com/content/da...I-with-an-NPU-and-heterogeneous-computing.pdf

most generative AI use cases can be categorized into on-demand, sustained, or pervasive. For on-demand applications, latency is the KPI since users do not want to wait. When these applications use small models, the CPU is usually the right choice. When models get bigger (e.g., billions of parameters), the GPU and NPU tend to be more appropriate. For sustained and pervasive use cases, in which battery life is vital and power efficiency is the critical factor, the NPU is the best option.

Qualcomm have several analog type NPU patents

US2023025068A1 HYBRID MACHINE LEARNING ARCHITECTURE WITH NEURAL PROCESSING UNIT AND COMPUTE-IN-MEMORY PROCESSING ELEMENTS 20210721

WO2023019104A1 SPARSITY-AWARE COMPUTE-IN-MEMORY 20210809
...

PS: Of course, as well as low power, Akida can handle latency-sensitive cases, and it can implement LLMs in smaller bites with the aid of RAG (Retrieval Augmented Generation).

PPS: Perhaps instead of Hexagon, Qualcomm should have called their AI system Cerberus.

 

[JoMo68]

 

[Mea culpa]

22M+ changed hands tho' JoMo. Probably Larry and Pom goin' hell for leather; they've been quiet.

 

[itsol4605]

I don't see why not—unless Qualcomm is already working on a new iteration of Snapdragon that incorporates features similar to AKIDA. How feasible that is, I'm not entirely sure.

As far as I know, the current Snapdragon product isn't neuromorphic, isn't event-based, doesn't operate at ultra-low power, and doesn’t support real-time on-device learning.

Judd Heape, VP of Product Management for Camera, Computer Vision, and Video at Qualcomm Technologies, was quoted in a June 2023 EE Times article saying, “These event-based sensors are much more efficient because they can be programmed to easily detect motion at very low power. When there’s no movement or change in the scene, the sensor consumes almost no power. So that’s really interesting to us.”

In that context, he was referring to Prophesee and image-based sensors, but the underlying principle still applies I would have thought—event-based sensors just make sense. And AKIDA is event-based.

We also know that a drone company is exploring a combination of AKIDA and Prophesee’s camera. Not Snapdragon. That says something.

So why wouldn’t Qualcomm want to integrate our technology to gain a foothold in new markets—especially ones that are battery-powered and highly power-constrained? Surely paying for a licence would be chicken feed for the likes of Qualcomm, so I honestly don't know why they wouldn't be considering it.

Maybe someone with deeper technical insight can weigh in here.




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EETimes article about Prophesee-Qualcomm deal

Full article here: https://www.eetimes.com/experts-weigh-impact-of-prophesee-qualcomm-deal/ Experts Weigh Impact of Prophesee-Qualcomm Deal ...

image-sensors-world.blogspot.com

Thank you very much for your response!!

 

[Smoothsailing]

If Qualcomm want a piece of Neuromorphic at the Edge they will look to us.
The great thing about BRN from a client point of view is they can use 1000 knowing that they can move up fairly seamlessly to Gen2/TENNs as they improve existing or develop new products..
In the meantime just like us maybe Qualcomm are waiting until Edge AI demand picks up significantly before getting serious.

Manny100 some good new I feel after emailing Tony to ask if he could find out what brainchip thoughts were in this latest Qualcomm stopping Brainchip and the response is as follows

I referred your email to our CTO Dr Tony Lewis. He replied to me that this was a temporary situation as Qualcomm had to review all contracts and commercial arrangements. He said he was not concerned

 

[Tothemoon24]

The partnership leverages BrainChip’s Akida processor, which offers ultra-low power, high-performance neuromorphic computing for edge applications in aerospace and defense.

ISL has successfully used Akida to implement real-time radar signal processing algorithms, achieving cost-effective and efficient solutions for edge computing.

“We have proven the efficacy of using BrainChip’s Akida neuromorphic chip to implement some of the most challenging real-time radar/EW signal processing algorithms,” says Dr. Joseph R. Guerci, ISL President and CEO. “This was accomplished by combining ISL’s advanced RF Digital Engineering tools with BrainChip’s developer’s kit. This combination resulted in a low cost, size, weight and power (SWaP-C) solution for challenging edge computing applications in aerospace and defense.”

BrainChip’s Akida processor mimics the human brain, enabling efficient, low-latency, and secure AI processing directly on devices without relying on the cloud.

BrainChip recently launched the Akida Edge AI Box, a compact AI/ML processing appliance for various industries.

BrainChip and ISL advance AI-powered radar for military and aerospace | Edge Industry Review

BrainChip partners with ISL to advance AI-powered radar systems using Akida for efficient, low-power edge computing in aerospace and defense.

www.edgeir.com

 

[manny100]

Manny100 some good new I feel after emailing Tony to ask if he could find out what brainchip thoughts were in this latest Qualcomm stopping Brainchip and the response is as follows

I referred your email to our CTO Dr Tony Lewis. He replied to me that this was a temporary situation as Qualcomm had to review all contracts and commercial arrangements. He said he was not concerned

Thanks, much appreciated, cheers

 

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On another note, I wonder if MB post again and say they "... in collaboration..." with BRN to integrate AKIDA into future gen cars, would our SP spike back up to $2.34, or something similar?

I guess, I'm pissed off like others here, just trying to understand why the dozen or so other announcements since the MB "media release" haven't done anything other than drop the SP. I also wonder if the tactic is to get the SP as low as possible prior to the redomicile so that US investors can buy in big and cheaply?

 

[manny100]

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1. "Wearable Technology and Miniaturisation: Transitioning from conventional tools to wearable gadgets, medical device OEMs can facilitate continuous real-time monitoring, enhancing patient mobility and comfort."

Miniaturisation and Pico go hand in hand. Pico can be as tiny as a skin patch, in a ring, earbud, etc. Preventative industrial maintenance will soon also become people maintenance.
We will see a revolution in sports health preventative maintenance. Pico learns on chip and can monitor for concussion symptoms and track for CTE for former players. Body stress could be detected early eg Prevent stress fractures etc.
A skin patch could monitor heart issues day to day whereas your GP could use an AKIDA handheld device.
Endless possibilities.

 

[7für7]

You know what the irony of life is? I can’t even buy the dip because in Germany the price is going up. BrainChip is up around 5%. And I bet as soon as I buy, it’ll drop to -10%… So what do you even do in a situation like that?

 

[Space Cadet]

Not sure it has been confirmed it Qualcomms doing. It was suggested as a possible reason I thought?

I find it hard to believe that they could actually do that as could be potentially seen as anticompetitive I would have thought and the exisiting Akida models are still allowed to be used, just not new Dev at the mo.

My questions is whether maybe an update to the models or additional capabilities to include 2.0 availability to play with or integration in some way to engage the Qualcomm foundries.io and other toolchains they now offer?

None of the other products like NVIDIA etc through EI appear affected at this point.

Or a hostile takeover. At 18c would be a steal. Hope not.

SC

 

[DingoBorat]

Extreme Fear, is still driving the markets (actually the lowest reading I've "noticed" these past couple of days).

Looks like US markets will take another hit and Left leaning media are stoking the fire, as it makes Trump look bad and they Love that.

I think our share price is holding up pretty well, while down.

We may see the US markets start to get better towards the mid or end of their session, while there is Fear though, the markets are simply not rational.


Do people want the US, or China to be the Strongest Economy and calling the shots in the World?

China, would Love to be the World's "cop" (free Mandarin lessons included) and that's the direction things were headed.


We as a Company, have a very strong relationship with the US and recent military developmental progress, has shown this.

The US, although virtually saying they are 'taking a break" from being everybody's big Brother (not in the "1984" sense) in fact need to build themselves up again, in order to do that.

We will be part of that.

Just my thoughts.
Good Fortune to All

 

[7für7]

Come on seven…. Bite bite… it’s 7 % up… what are you waiting for??? Come come

 

[TheDrooben]

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Extreme Fear, is still driving the markets (actually the lowest reading I've "noticed" these past couple of days).

Looks like US markets will take another hit and Left leaning media are stoking the fire, as it makes Trump look bad and they Love that.

I think our share price is holding up pretty well, while down.

We may see the US markets start to get better towards the mid or end of their session, while there is Fear though, the markets are simply not rational.


Do people want the US, or China to be the Strongest Economy and calling the shots in the World?

China, would Love to be the World's "cop" (free Mandarin lessons included) and that's the direction things were headed.


We as a Company, have a very strong relationship with the US and recent military developmental progress, has shown this.

The US, although virtually saying they are 'taking a break" from being everybody's big Brother (not in the "1984" sense) in fact need to build themselves up again, in order to do that.

Just my thoughts.
Good Fortune to All

Gee a lot of stockbrokers much watch the left leaning media DB.......they are the ones who are selling........wonder why they are selling??? Can't be your mate Donald's fault could it?? FFS give it a rest mate. I will stop from replying to your cult-like Trumpism on this main thread if you agree to do the same. I am sure everyone else will be happy if we do it privately like we have been over the last day or two....as per your initial private message to me.

Happy as Larry

 

[DingoBorat]

Gee a lot of stockbrokers much watch the left leaning media DB.......they are the ones who are selling........wonder why they are selling??? Can't be your mate Donald's fault could it?? FFS give it a rest mate. I will stop from replying to your cult-like Trumpism on this main thread if you agree to do the same. I am sure everyone else will be happy if we do it privately like we have been over the last day or two....as per your initial private message to me.

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Happy as Larry

Easy done Larry, I thought it was relevant as it's what's driving the markets

 

[Fullmoonfever]

Always nice to see the formal award of the contract

Prime Award ID FA875025CB013

Recipient Name BRAINCHIP, INC

Obligations $1,799,348.00

Outlays --

Award Description LOW C-SWAP NEUROMORPHIC RADAR CLASSIFICATION, LEVERAGING LEARNING ALGORITHMS AND MAPPING W... Read More

Award Type DEFINITIVE CONTRACT

Disaster Emergency Fund Codes (DEFCs) --

COVID-19 Obligations --

COVID-19 Outlays --

Infrastructure Obligations --

Infrastructure Outlays --

Awarding Agency Department of Defense

Awarding Subagency Department of the Air Force

Period of Performance Start 2024-12-09

Period of Performance End 2026-02-08

Prime Award ID
FA875025CB013
Recipient Name
BRAINCHIP, INC
Obligations
$1,799,348.00
Outlays
--
Award Description
LOW C-SWAP NEUROMORPHIC RADAR CLASSIFICATION, LEVERAGING LEARNING ALGORITHMS AND MAPPING W... Read More

Award Type
DEFINITIVE CONTRACT
Disaster Emergency Fund Codes (DEFCs)
--
COVID-19 Obligations
--
COVID-19 Outlays
--
Infrastructure Obligations
--
Infrastructure Outlays
--
Awarding Agency
Department of Defense
Awarding Subagency
Department of the Air Force
Period of Performance Start
2024-12-09
Period of Performance End
2026-02-08