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Flight996

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Re: Mt feel is all negotiations will be done by CATH! AVZ will take a backseat in all dealings!

I can't see the majority holder (AVZ/GLH) allowing the Chinese minority holder (CATH) to negotiate on it's behalf. From a business strategy point of view, that's corporate suicide.

AVZ hasn't fought tooth and nail for the past two years against a relentless campaign of graft and corruption to simply relinquish its negotiating position and its future to the Chinese.
 
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Re: Mt feel is all negotiations will be done by CATH! AVZ will take a backseat in all dealings!

I can't see the majority holder (AVZ/GLH) allowing the minority holder (CATH) to negotiate on it's behalf. From a business strategy point of view, that's corporate suicide.

AVZ hasn't fought tooth and nail for the past two years against a relentless campaign of graft and corruption to simply relinquish its negotiating position and future to the Chinese.
The DRC government are refusing to talk to the bod

Having Pei as a middle man makes a lot of sense

It will be collaborative between AVZ / CATH but ultimately Pei will be pulling most of the functional strings

It would need to be something serious for Nigel to intervene and I reckon the legal option will be a break glass in case of emergency type thing as we wouldn't want to be the ones stalling the project again unless absolutely necessary

I doubt there would be too much disagreement between Nigel and Pei on how to do things anyway but Pei will be able to throw his weight around more easily than most minority positions due to the financial backing, processing expertise and negotiation ability he brings to the table imo
 
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Here is a recent tender from Manono Lithium. They use Rawbank too.


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The DRC government are refusing to talk to the bod

Having Pei as a middle man makes a lot of sense

It will be collaborative between AVZ / CATH but ultimately Pei will be pulling most of the functional strings

It would need to be something serious for Nigel to intervene and I reckon the legal option will be a break glass in case of emergency type thing as we wouldn't want to be the ones stalling the project again unless absolutely necessary

I doubt there would be too much disagreement between Nigel and Pei on how to do things anyway but Pei will be able to throw his weight around more easily than most minority positions due to the financial backing, processing expertise and negotiation ability he brings to the table imo
Agree Carlos!

On another point given CATH already own 7.1% of all current AVZ shares are these part of GLH or AVZ direct. If AVZ direct, then their holdings is naturally higher overall.
 
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Flight996

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The DRC government are refusing to talk to the bod

Having Pei as a middle man makes a lot of sense

It will be collaborative between AVZ / CATH but ultimately Pei will be pulling most of the functional strings

It would need to be something serious for Nigel to intervene and I reckon the legal option will be a break glass in case of emergency type thing as we wouldn't want to be the ones stalling the project again unless absolutely necessary

I doubt there would be too much disagreement between Nigel and Pei on how to do things anyway but Pei will be able to throw his weight around more easily than most minority positions due to the financial backing, processing expertise and negotiation ability he brings to the table imo

Yes, I understand what you are saying.

At the same time the Chinese cannot be trusted or taken at their word. Regardless of whether it's CATL, Pei or Zijin, they all play to Beijing's song book. I can't see AVZ's legal team, DLA Piper agreeing that AVZ relinquish its negotiation position to the Chinese.
 
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Agree Carlos!

On another point given CATH already own 7.1% of all current AVZ shares are these part of GLH or AVZ direct. If AVZ direct, then their holdings is naturally higher overall.
They are part of that 7.1% (biggest part) but yes otherwise true

So ultimate profit share on an indirect basis from Manono is even higher for CATH than 30.5% when factoring in their direct and indirect holdings in AVZ

It also adds weight to Pei's unoffical indirect control of the project imo
 
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Does anyone have a correct diagramatic representation of the corporate structure for Dathcom and the AVZ related entities involved and % holdings "prior" to the new arrangement just annnounced involving Mr Pei and Green Lithium Holdings?

The representation (or even just straight cold hard data) would ideally include Dathcom, AVZI, AVZ Minerals and Green Lithium Holdings at a very minimum and indicating parent and subsidiary entities and relevant holding percentages

I've been searching everywhere but I'll be fucked if I can find a definitive one and I would like it as a starting point for my own calculations and analysis of the new Mr Pei/CATH arrangements

I've really appreciated the input from others on the thread but there seems to be a number of different variations and views as to what we are starting with and what we can expect if the arrangement is implimented

All help greatly appreciated

Cheers!
Mate, there was a series of pie charts along these lines published a while back, not sure if it was an AVZ announcement or through media. Will post them if I can find them.
 
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Let's not forget that CATH/Mr Pee Pees haven't lifted a finger to help out AVZ over the past couple of years, if anything they've sided with the other Chinese in attempting a hostile takeover of AVZ using the MMAGOTS.

Perhaps the Chinese have realised they're up shit Creek with regards to getting away with stealing the whole tenement and changed tactics to hedge their bets either way.

We need to finally see some action from CATH for a start, why didn't they come to an arrangement for funding until after the Locke funding deal was finalised?

It all seems like a positive turn of events in the end but with the zijin cockroaches and criminals of cominiere dug in to our tenement having stolen the camp, water, hydro plant etc there seems like a bit of a way to go for any sort of resolution.

I'd like to see the arbitration fees paid (yesterday) using CATH money and a bit of noise from them in support of AVZ. That'd be a good start.

It's still the snails pace of the various arbitrations bogging us down, we need some definitive legal wins under our belt. Sooner the better, it's unbelievable that it's taken this long as the DRC ignore all rulings and illegally progress Manono Lithium in contravention of their own mining code.

Great progress finally but this should have happened 12 months ago if CATH could really be trusted so we can't get complacent and we need to see some (hopefully rapid) progression from this point.

Whatever happens I hope we get the opportunity to sell either through a market listing or the entire company. Fuck this shit to hell and back.
 
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Yes, I understand what you are saying.

At the same time the Chinese cannot be trusted or taken at their word. Regardless of whether it's CATL, Pei or Zijin, they all play to Beijing's song book. I can't see AVZ's legal team, DLA Piper agreeing that AVZ relinquish its negotiation position to the Chinese.
Yeah my point is a bit more nuanced

Like I've said repeatedly AVZ will maintain legal control of the project to satisfy shareholders and western governments

But Nigel will only override Pei on a major disagreement about something serious when it comes to action on the ground imo
 
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So have CATH provided the $20 million already? AS in it's sitting in a SAFE bank account ready to be drawn down on? or is that subject to ML being delivered? I got lost a tad in the wording. Also the Locke Funding it seems we've canned it completely... I'd have liked for that to be there ready in case funny busines goes on.
 
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So have CATH provided the $20 million already? AS in it's sitting in a SAFE bank account ready to be drawn down on? or is that subject to ML being delivered? I got lost a tad in the wording. Also the Locke Funding it seems we've canned it completely... I'd have liked for that to be there ready in case funny busines goes on.
The exact amount we are borrowing is how much was in escrow under the original TIA terms

'Released to CATH' is pretty vague

I reckon the fine print of the restructured TIA deal ensures we get access to this money in tranches under approval from CATH with the first $10m guaranteed by end of this month imo
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Winenut

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Mate, there was a series of pie charts along these lines published a while back, not sure if it was an AVZ announcement or through media. Will post them if I can find them.
Thanks mate

I've been pouring over past presentations from the company, annual reports, the different threads on AVZ here, general googles searches on each of the entities eg Green Lithium Holdings Pte Ltd (Singapore I think), AVZ International Pty Ltd, AVZ Minerals Pty Ltd, the Dathcom JV you name it and.......

 
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Does anyone have a correct diagramatic representation of the corporate structure for Dathcom and the AVZ related entities involved and % holdings "prior" to the new arrangement just annnounced involving Mr Pei and Green Lithium Holdings?

The representation (or even just straight cold hard data) would ideally include Dathcom, AVZI, AVZ Minerals and Green Lithium Holdings at a very minimum and indicating parent and subsidiary entities and relevant holding percentages

I've been searching everywhere but I'll be fucked if I can find a definitive one and I would like it as a starting point for my own calculations and analysis of the new Mr Pei/CATH arrangements

I've really appreciated the input from others on the thread but there seems to be a number of different variations and views as to what we are starting with and what we can expect if the arrangement is implimented

All help greatly appreciated

Cheers!
Thanks mate

I've been pouring over past presentations from the company, annual reports, the different threads on AVZ here, general googles searches on each of the entities eg Green Lithium Holdings Pte Ltd (Singapore I think), AVZ International Pty Ltd, AVZ Minerals Pty Ltd, the Dathcom JV you name it and.......


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Winenut

GO AVZ!!!!
Thanks Carlos

The other pieces of the puzzle is the underlying detail

We know AVZ is not "directly" involved with Dathcom (it's simplified in the pie charts showing just "AVZ")

The actual party involved with Dathcom is AVZI

AVZ International Pty Ltd (AVZI) is a subsidiary of AVZ Minerals and has it's own shareholding structure

So too does the related entity Green Lithium Holdings Pte Ltd (GLH)

It's all of these underlying parent and subsidiary relationships/ corporate structures and % shareholders/shareholdings that I'm really after

Also interested in certainty on where they are domiciled

We know AVZ is in Australia, AVZI I'm note sure, GLH I think Singapore or Hong Kong
 
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Samus

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The exact amount we are borrowing is how much was in escrow under the original TIA terms

'Released to CATH' is pretty vague

I reckon the fine print of the restructured TIA deal ensures we get access to this money in tranches under approval from CATH with the first $10m guaranteed by end of this month imo
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Let that sink in. :rolleyes:
Essentially they're risking fucking nothing.
This should have happened long ago.
Fucking grubs.
 
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Frank

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More reporting on the AVZ CATH deal.
In the DRC, the battle for Manono lithium also pits Chinese groups against each other

The Chinese Zijin Mining is expected to begin mining the Manono lithium deposit in 2026.

However, ownership of this project located in the DRC is the subject of a dispute with the Australian AVZ, which can count, more than ever, on the support of another Chinese company. (y)

In the battle opposing the Chinese Zijin Mining for control of the Manono project, the Australian AVZ now benefits from the active support of another Chinese group, Suzhou CATH Energy Technologies. (y)


AVZ announced on Wednesday, January 8, that it had obtained a $20 million facility from CATH to finance certain company expenses.

This new agreement, consolidating a partnership between the two parties in force since 2021, comes the day after another development concerning Manono.

According to Bloomberg, which relayed statements from the company in an email exchange on November 7, Zijin plans to put the lithium deposit into production in 2026. :unsure:

This is despite the disputes surrounding the mining permit granted by the DRC.

By remaining alongside AVZ, CATH intends to eventually secure 100% of Manono's lithium production.

The Chinese company will thus have the right to purchase all of Manono's production for five years, or until AVZ's expenses that it has facilitated are reimbursed.

Subject to obtaining the mining rights on Manono, CATH will also have the possibility of acquiring an indirect 30.5% stake in the project by paying $259.25 million to AVZ.


In its press release of January 8, AVZ did not indicate when it hopes to regain control of the Manono project, nor did it comment on recent developments regarding Zijin’s production start-up in 2026.

It should be recalled that the Australian company has initiated various legal proceedings in recent years to contest its eviction from the Manono project, but the outcome of these initiatives remains uncertain.

In any case, the interest of investors, both Chinese and Western, in the Manono project demonstrates the potential of this deposit, which could position the DRC as one of the main lithium producers in Africa.

According to a previous estimate by AVZ, the Manono deposit would host at least 400 million tonnes of mineral resources grading 1.65% lithium.


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Thanks Carlos

The other pieces of the puzzle is the underlying detail

We know AVZ is not "directly" involved with Dathcom (it's simplified in the pie charts showing just "AVZ")

The actual party involved with Dathcom is AVZI

AVZ International Pty Ltd (AVZI) is a subsidiary of AVZ Minerals and has it's own shareholding structure

So too does the related entity Green Lithium Holdings Pte Ltd (GLH)

It's all of these underlying parent and subsidiary relationships/ corporate structures and % shareholders/shareholdings that I'm really after

Also interested in certainty on where they are domiciled

We know AVZ is in Australia, AVZI I'm note sure, GLH I think Singapore or Hong Kong
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Winenut

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Found something in the 2022 Accounts

So getting somehwere at least

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EDIT: Thanks Carlos for your post above. I didn't see it before posting mine :rolleyes:
 
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