Conspiracy Theories & Scams

[MoneyBags1348]

04/01/2023
Schnitzelfresser Posted

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The first offer had a timeline until 10th of March 2023. Guess here was confusion because of the date writing in German and English.

Seen a post from a member of a German forum. He wrote that the first tranche is full. He got a phone call from Deeland and got told the process. Deelandworks for investors who will give the money in exchange for the shares. Deeland as itself is not listed in Germany as an financial institution (source: attorney). Like the poster said he signed the contract with Deeland and it is planned he gets the money around march on his account. After that he transfers his shares on the named account.

 

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05/01/2023
Schemozzle Posted
Hi Schnitzelfresser, I have send you a private message. I would appreciate a feedback. Some things are mysterious, on all other offers deeland stated:

The purchase price will be transferred to a bank account to be designated by the shareholder immediately after receipt of the shares.

The old AVZ offer have the same progress, in the new one their is a contract and you get the money firstly

And some other offers for other companies look very silly.

Bundesanzeiger also have a warning on their website that some advertisement could not be real because they can’t control everyone. But for all it’s true germans love cookies, it’s a form of data protection law.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

05/01/2023
Obe Posted
If first tranche is full, you’d have to wonder why they have decided to offer more per share ; offering more per share would suggest that uptake wasnt/isn’t as fast as first thought ….unless they’ve managed only to fill tranche 1 in with a bagful of small shareholders , but volume drying up and need to attract larger holders and lift uptake / make it more attractive ….

Wonder what are the terms with Dealands ? Should ML fall through, the all bets are off ? if ML comes through they’ll pay out ? If ML isn't issued by the March date …what happens then ; do Deelands take the risk and payout ?

Both the Omni and this Deelands thing Just smell like some ploy to try and place some pressure on the company -‘agree to something and we can all move on’

 

[MoneyBags1348]

05/01/2023
Shemozzle Posted
Thx to Schnitzel for feedback, in a german forum is one guy who allegedly have signed a contract. Some things that guy have posted:

It is said to have something to do with the license rights in the Congo. And as I understand it, the buyers are not at all interested in future stock exchange trading, but rather in the project rights in the Congo, which you will probably achieve through equity participation.“

I will receive the purchase price in mid 03/23. I only transfer the shares after I have received the money. I have a few weeks to do that.“

Deeland just handles the whole thing. Basically, the client pays the price. The decisive factor is the share purchase agreement according to Federal Republic of Germany law.“

So he thinks the buyer don’t want to trade, this guy just think he will buy rights in the congo when they buy avz shares.

Ok two things why they would buy shares.

1. they think it will trade again but one day the share price explodes so that they can make huge profits.

2. they buy as much as possible to get some control in the company, but with 2x 50 million shares i think it’s not possible.

Maybe yibin or huayou that they could have a chance to get a seat in the management?
How many percentages are needed to have the right for a seat? Anyone know? But i don’t think the second point is real it’s just a theory that comes in my mind when i think about when the offer would be real who could benefit from it.

But that would not change the fact that this 100 million more shares would be worthless when avz get no ML and start to trade again. The only thing that make sense for me is when they speculate that AVZ share price will explode. But who spend 100 million without being sure that they will trade again? Would be dumb.

They want to pay in more than 3 month’s, why would they wait so long?

I try my best to get such a deeland contract, but for me it’s still sounds like big scam.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

05/01/2023
Obe Posted
You’d think Deelands would just approach ETFs or index funds and just bulk buy at a lower price than what they are asking.

I’m pretty sure profs would be able to get around the whole Germany / Switzerland accounts only thing and just buy on the bulk from large funds …. But instead , they play with retail peanuts …. Sounds like a few retails are potentially going to get bent over ; all sounds very iffy

 

[MoneyBags1348]

05/01/2023
Flight996 Posted

Also quote: Both the Omni and this Deelands thing Just smell like some ploy to try and place some pressure on the company -‘agree to something and we can all move on’

I can't see how offering over the odds for AVZ shares places any sort of pressure on the company. On the contrary, offering over the odds supports the company's position.

Back to Deeland: Now offering 1.05 Euros/share for min one million shares. Imagine handing over a million shares over the internet to this bunch of suspects, and having to wait three months to get paid. During the three month waiting period your shares are on-sold multiple times and are now owned by the Russian mafia...and you are still waiting to be paid. Anyone who thinks that the Deeland deal is legit is taking a big, big risk...even bigger than investing in a company that seeks to build a mine in the most corrupt jurisdiction in the world.

It's a 100% gold plated scam. As Charbella suggests; Deeland will simply disappear along with your shares.


05/01/2023
Carlos Posted
Pressure on the board to sell will increase from shareholders the higher the price offered is. That's how these things usually work.

Allegedy Deeland are promising to pay for the shares before the seller needs to transfer their shares to them. The transfer of the shares will be enforceable by the contract.

Zijin are behind it and they won't stop trying to get Manono even after suspension is lifted imo


05/01/2023
Hedrox Posted
https://thestockexchange.com.au/attachments/screenshot-2023-01-05-at-11-11-37-am-png.26204/

 

[MoneyBags1348]

05/01/2023
Obe Posted
A head scratch and initial thoughts which streamed through, was that if this is true, then this was likely an attempt at a strategic holding ; it’s obviously not an attempt of any takeover, as cash needs to be on hand and in an account before that even gets a pinch of attention .

Strategic holding … During this time the last thing the company wants is someone being posted onto the board ; Huayou were diluted out and the company were happy killing 2 birds with the one stone on that occasion ; could you imagine having a Chinese seat at the board table whilst we worked our way through this mess ; imo we’d probably have been on our fourth passing of being bent over.

Obviously Deelands 50m shares is not enough on its own as it only represents 1.3% of shares ; but the question is whom are the investors Deelands are supposedly acting on behalf , what’s the purpose off German / Swiss accounts only ? There is enough connected shares on the registry to pull together enough shares to gain a board seat, how is that done or what someone maybe playing at is anyone’s guess ; Chinese registered entity falls on FIRB sword; JV entity potentially registered elsewhere e.g Germany etc may have a bit more wriggle room

But during this period is a bit difficult to keep all your cards as close to the chest as possible, when you have asx guidelines to keep , but have been able to gain some shelter through voluntary suspension ( refer to asx listing rules guidance notes 16 4.3 for reasoning around vol suspensions and benefits ) ; it’s even more difficult to keep information from the ears you’d prefer to keep deaf if you have a mole at the table.

Omni’s legal case ; also march 23 date - legal costs of $9.5m before shareholders gain their share should they win… ; totally lame attempt to unsettle shareholders imo , but likely an attempt to unsettle enough holders to potentially shake some shares out . Has some thinking , How long does such a case take to flesh out ; what has the company got to cover these costs if required ; how long is this ML thing going to take to play out etc etc etc .

Remember more percentage owned by entities does allow for certain levers to be pulled - link below gives brief summary

The Allens handbook on takeovers in Australia - Shareholding thresholds​

The key shareholding thresholds in an ASX-listed Australian company from a Corporations Act perspective are: ≥5% (obligation to file substantial holding notice), >10% (ability to block compulsory acquisition), >20% (takeovers threshold), >25% (ability to block scheme of arrangement and special...
content.allens.com.au

Management always expected the Chinese to have a go ; they always expected some wrangling with the Chinese ; but they didn’t expect some of the tact’s deployed or having parts of DRC Gov also playing on behalf of the Chinese .

Hard to say ; ‘nah that would never happen’…. AVZ management said that about afew things which readily happened over the last 8 months imo.

Those high offerings by Deelands will also be having even the most hardened shareholders thinking …. Maybe let’s not be too greedy ; >$1.50 offering is a lot better than in pause at 0.78c…. Shareholders calls on the AVZ phone increase as offering price to German accounts increase


05/01/2023
Carlos Posted
Excellent post

Wasn't the Deeland website also registered the same day as the class action was launched?

The two events are definitely linked and are being instigated by the same people imo

There could be a few reasons this is happening but someone is obviously trying to test market appetite for price and trying to turn AVZ shareholders against the board
It reeks of Zijin imo


05/01/2023
Remark Posted
AVZ should issue a warning regarding Deeland - here's an extract of a the German lawyer's warning...

https://anlegerschutz.blogspot.com/2023/01/unseriose-offentliche-kaufangebote.html?m=1

"The potential purchase volume is well over EUR 100 million. At TLG alone, with a volume of 1 million, the sought-after no-par value shares amount to almost EUR 40 million. The most recent offer for shares in the Australian AVZ Minerals (publication on January 3, 2023) the volume is over EUR 50 million.

Deeland Investments Ltd. has been entered in the commercial register for a relatively long time (founded in 1952), but is not really financially strong and is obviously undercapitalized for the purchase offers. The share capital of GBP 100 set at the time of incorporation has not been increased since then. The company is classified as a micro company on the Companies House in England and Wales and is not subject to a statutory audit. According to the latest available report as of March 31, 2022, the capital ("capital and reserves") was only GBP 110,897.

The firm describes itself as a "financial trading firm" although it is not licensed or regulated to do so. The statement that the company has "a strong international presence in the financial centers of Europe" is also obviously incorrect."

 

[Xerof]

04/03/2023
Fox Posted

https://www.unternehmensregister.de...web02-1?submitaction=showDocument&id=31707855

And the offer now ends 31st of March, not the 3rd of October 2023 now. Funny.

I think the first offer at 0.96 had a date of 10 March - they used both styles of 'date'

 

[MoneyBags1348]

06/01/2023
Xerof Posted
The second offer, as well as improving the price, has improved the terms of settlement. Once a 'contract' has been signed, they pay, then seller initiates the share transfer on a timely basis. I'd like to see the contract, so Carlos Dangerous can make sure thats watertight. The catch is 'signed by both parties'

Before I am ready to be convinced that this could be 'genuine', I'd like to hear confirmation from a single person who has signed a contract, received the full payment and successfully transferred the shares.

otherwise the bargepole remains in place

BUT.....

Some unsavoury thoughts:

We know that any Chinese entity would be unable to make a TO offer for AVZ directly
We also know they could buy DATHCOM shares from AVZI/AVZ, if they could get approvals from the Boards of Directors
So......they need to get control of the B'sOD

how do they possibly do that you say? well, firstly, you start a class action to unsettle the register. Secondly, you start picking off selected shareholdings where you legally can - the German et al exchange holdings. Then you call in all the ASX REGISTERED 'sleeper' shareholders who hold individually, but are aligned to the cause, and who the fuck knows how many of them there are. Nominee companies are also very dominant in the T20, and could also be holding for the cause

then you call an EGM, roll the board with your voting power, and we all know what would happen next

sounds familiar to a story related to the Deeland offers on the crapper yesterday and this morning

I sincerely hope I'm having a nightmare

06/01/2023
Xerof Posted
If you think I'm losing the plot, I'm sure @Misfits will confirm this scenario has largely already been played out by Zijin in another company that used to be on the ASX - NKP, where they 'stole' most of the company via convertible bonds, and partaking in share placements, then trashing the SP on the ASX platform.

They eventually made a terrible lowball TO offer (this was before FIRB would have ever picked up on the nuanced screwing of Australia), having replaced the BOD with dummy directors (paper bag recipients most likely), who recommended the TO

Well, fuck me, our group of dissenting shareholders are still in court in Bermuda, awaiting legal proceedings to commence to get a fairer payout price. I won't even mention the dirty tricks done behind the bike sheds during the course of the challenge (fake DFS's, dummy company registrations in order to illegally transfer mining licences) - oh shit, I have, sorry about that

06/01/2023
Xerof Posted
I see @obe wan has expressed similar but differing thoughts on the crapper just now. Yes, first step might just be to gain one seat on the board, just to see whats going on in the 'enemy camp', seeing very little is being announced.

I still see larger ambitions in the pipeline, but his line of thinking certainly makes sense for the short term. And given Yibin/CATH holdings are the ones near the 10%, could it be them and not Z who are working through Deeland?

Kunts

 

[MoneyBags1348]

06/01/2023
MB Posted
@Xerof I don’t like adding general comments to the threads I’ve added…. I try to keep the comments specific to the subject, but that’s a hat trick and you my friend are on fire this morning and as such I award you these MB emoji’s

 

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06/01/2023
Obe Posted
Your ASX sleeper could be LITHIUM PLUS PTY LTD ; all links back to ‘CHYNA’ , but are an Australian registered company and have been registered in Australia now for over 3 year 5/18 ; 5% holding in AVZ ….

For me , these guys have always been in hibernation mode ; came out of no where, doodled in some half hearted lithium projects to look the part imo

06/01/2023
Xerof Posted
5% of shareholders needed to call for a meeting to seek a removal of a director. simple majority vote >50% to actually do so.

But this Deeland shit could be a move to get to 10% in order to have the right to a seat - don't rock the entire boat, just get an insider on the board? I like @obe wan 's thinking on this over my more extreme scenario.

Bethamel came on, but have dropped off T20 - direct link back to Z. Could be sitting there still, don't know

 

[MoneyBags1348]

06/01/2023
Carlos Posted
Maybe the Deeland offer is legit. Maybe it isn't. It could be a test in a smaller market to see what price the market will accept before expanding to ASX holders (which is what Deeland said they were doing in their initial offer) or it could be a ruse to promote the class action and the offer will be pulled by Deeland at the last minute.

Management have repeatedly said that the problems AVZ are facing are due to the collusion between Zijin, CAMI, Cong and AJN. So they are obviously the prime suspects to also be behind these shenanigans.

I think the main target of all this Palpatinianesque conniving is to unsettle the AVZ board. And I can see only one reason for that. The AVZ board are winning.

If hypothetically the board was spilled it would set back the negotiations with the DRC government immensely. The last thing we need is to have to start all over again especially if the new board are potentially Zijin puppets. That would only benefit the jackals at this point imo

I've had a few people here message me privately thanking me for the info I post. The main reason I post here is because AVZ management were very clear about what the problems were at the roadshows and the AGM. That was then backed up by the IGF and journalists like Franck Fwamba using verifiable source documents.

I have been more than critical of AVZ management at times and will always call out anything I think they are doing wrong. But all of the facts back up their reasons for the suspension. I repeatedly saw the hyenas in here trying to get AVZ shareholders to take action against the board using disinformation and realised what they were up to.

This type of behaviour by whoever is behind Deeland and the class action shows desperation. It's clear to me that we are in the end game now. Everything the light touches is our kingdom.

 

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06/01/2023
Fox Posted
Lithium Plus purchased a 50million parcel of shares on the last or second last day of trading. On a side note, Canacord had a 76 million parcel they sold at the same time for a gross profit of approx. $100m. The sell-off by Canacord was timed for the announcement of the Mining Licence being approved by MoM, it was just pure profit taking, not expected to crash the SP, but the timing certainly didn't help when correlated with unfavourable news being released by certain manipulators and DRC looters. IMO, if Canacord decided to hold for the long term the SP would have settled around $1.00 or more when suspension hit IMO, not 78cents.

I looked into Lithium Plus as well, suspect nominee directors in Australia. AVZ announced the following on the 27th of Feb 2019.

• AVZ welcomes a new strategic investment by Lithium Plus which has subscribed for $3 million in thePlacement for an initial 3.46% interest in the Company
• Lithium Plus is a specialist lithium investment company led by Mr Bin Guo who has close links to the battery manufacturing industry in China and is also a director of North American Lithium Inc.

So yes, it's all China related Obe.

Cheers The Fox

 

[MoneyBags1348]

06/01/2023
Schemozzle Posted
The only one who say the first trance is done is deeland at the telephone. How do you think they have done it to collect 50 million shares in 10 days over the Christmas days and new year? When the offer is only to german shareholders and after the deeland guys at the telephone now for austria and switzerland and no information from our banks that a offer exist, just 2 dodgy site’s and the bundesanzeiger who clearly warning at the front page that they have a lot scam offers on their own website. We just hear from that offer from a few persons on twitter and a rare amount of people in some forums. How could that shit be legit?

06/01/2023
Xerof Posted
Well, it's possible it is a 'real' scam. You have spoken to 'real' people, who seem desperate to get hold of some AVZ shares.

We just need to expose it for what it might be, who might be behind it, and for what reasons they would go to such extremes. The more it's publicised as a crock of shit, the better, IMO

 

[Xerof]

06/01/2023
MB Posted
@Xerof I don’t like adding general comments to the threads I’ve added…. I try to keep the comments specific to the subject, but that’s a hat trick and you my friend are on fire this morning and as such I award you these MB emoji’s

I’m honoured mate. I’m a black and white kinda Kunt, so appreciative of your appreciation.

Ps I lol’d your Hogans Heroes clip - very funny

 

[MoneyBags1348]

I’m honoured mate. I’m a black and white kinda Kunt, so appreciative of your appreciation.

Ps I lol’d your Hogans Heroes clip - very funny

Xerof I usually try and go by facts rather than give opinions but I’m pretty certain that the class action scam is a clandestine tactic to acquire shares…. Not sure if it was you or Obe who first suggested it.

Over the years I’ve corresponded with ASIC as well as a Senior Advisor in Listings Compliance with the ASX and I’m pretty sure AVZ have acted legally so it’s a matter of if it’s Cong, Eckof, Zigin or any combination of them behind the scam