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If you put more on you'll distort the performance characteristics.I'm pretty sure he's saying your from the Bosphorus and I'm a moron.
Pom down under
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I'm pretty sure he's saying your from the Bosphorus and I'm a moron.
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Hmmmmmm…..
Space Cadet
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I'm waiting for the Pico to come out. Should be much more comfortableWell. If they are going to probe me I hope they use a well lubed AKD1500 and not an edge box!
SC
Jacob Kiraz
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It Doesnt matter,
AGM Is coming up and the year is nearly into Its 3rd Month, Lers see how deep Brainchip goes inro the year.
Alot of products on offer
AGM Is coming up and the year is nearly into Its 3rd Month, Lers see how deep Brainchip goes inro the year.
Alot of products on offer
Bravo
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Hi Pom or anyone.
@Bravo old girl take pity on a befuddled pensioner.
Sorry if I am going over old ground but was there an explanation arrived at regarding the variable cost per chip $2.94 amount quoted?
Either the chips cost $2.94 each, flat, regardless of the quantity we order or, given that word "variable", that is a minimum or maximum cost per chip depending on how many we order at a time.
Am I overthinking or under thinking this?
Hi Hoppy,
Unfortunately, I only know as much as everyone else here, which seems to be...not bloody much.
I feel like a bit of a goose because I seem to have started this whole debate of biblical proportions because I was trying to make a much simpler point, namely that none of us know what RTX (or anyone else for that matter) would actually be paying per chip. Although we've seen the slide that references a $4–$50 price per chip (volume dependent) range, we don’t actually know what “volume” means in BrainChip world or where on that sliding scale a customer would sit.
So, my comment was about revenue uncertainty. But somehow, I know not how, it has apparently become incumbent upon me to explain the history of semiconductor costings and the empirical and ethical virtues of variable cost versus fixed cost allocations and how this does or doesn't tie in with the huge sum of money Jeff Bezos recently spent on the Melanoma documentary. I have no insight into any of those matters, sadly.
The truth is, I don’t know anything worth reporting other than the fact I’m about to top up another glass of vino before I’m asked to produce a wafer yield sensitivity spreadsheet.
Cheers!
Hi @Bravo ,
The CVD process for making ICs usually involves a carousel with a number of wafer stations, eg 6:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US11798825B2/en
Apparatus and methods of processing a substrate in a carousel processing chamber are described. A wafer pedestal has a support surface with a support shaft extending below the wafer pedestal. A roller pinion wheel is below the wafer support around the support shaft. The roller pinion wheel has a plurality of spokes in contact with the support shaft and a wheel with a plurality of roller pinions spaced around the outer periphery of the wheel. Processing chambers incorporating the wafer pedestal and processing methods using the wafer pedestal for in-situ rotation are also described.
An optimum production run would consist of multiples of 6 wafers.
There is CVD chamber set up and preparation time to account for. With electronic "photomasks" replacing tapeout, the process is much more efficient than in the olden days, but the equipment is much more expensive, which affects depreciation, but no doubt there are generous tax writeoffs/incentives.
Then there is the yield per wafer, determined by the number of chips per wafer minus the number of defective chips per wafer. With the very small sizes, you get a lot of chips per wafer, but the defect rate can be very high, particularly in the initial stages.
FG has chosen 28 nm for their radhard GR801, so it should have low defects, but lower chips per wafer, and of course, each chip includes the RISC-V processor, so there will be fewer Akidas per wafer than for a straight Akida wafer. This is probably true for most IP licences, as the licencee will probably wish to build an entire SoC with Akida as a coprocessor to a CPU/GPU/MCU.
The later versions of Akida will have a larger chip footprint as they use more bits, eg, Akida 2 is 8-bit, Akida 3 is INT16/FP32-bit, so fewer chips per wafer.
So really, it's your estimate of the length of the string, but I'd say somewhere between $3.99and $50.01 per chip.
The CVD process for making ICs usually involves a carousel with a number of wafer stations, eg 6:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US11798825B2/en
Apparatus and methods of processing a substrate in a carousel processing chamber are described. A wafer pedestal has a support surface with a support shaft extending below the wafer pedestal. A roller pinion wheel is below the wafer support around the support shaft. The roller pinion wheel has a plurality of spokes in contact with the support shaft and a wheel with a plurality of roller pinions spaced around the outer periphery of the wheel. Processing chambers incorporating the wafer pedestal and processing methods using the wafer pedestal for in-situ rotation are also described.
An optimum production run would consist of multiples of 6 wafers.
There is CVD chamber set up and preparation time to account for. With electronic "photomasks" replacing tapeout, the process is much more efficient than in the olden days, but the equipment is much more expensive, which affects depreciation, but no doubt there are generous tax writeoffs/incentives.
Then there is the yield per wafer, determined by the number of chips per wafer minus the number of defective chips per wafer. With the very small sizes, you get a lot of chips per wafer, but the defect rate can be very high, particularly in the initial stages.
FG has chosen 28 nm for their radhard GR801, so it should have low defects, but lower chips per wafer, and of course, each chip includes the RISC-V processor, so there will be fewer Akidas per wafer than for a straight Akida wafer. This is probably true for most IP licences, as the licencee will probably wish to build an entire SoC with Akida as a coprocessor to a CPU/GPU/MCU.
The later versions of Akida will have a larger chip footprint as they use more bits, eg, Akida 2 is 8-bit, Akida 3 is INT16/FP32-bit, so fewer chips per wafer.
So really, it's your estimate of the length of the string, but I'd say somewhere between $3.99and $50.01 per chip.
HopalongPetrovski
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That’s all right Miss pixie boots.Hi Hoppy,
Unfortunately, I only know as much as everyone else here, which seems to be...not bloody much.
I feel like a bit of a goose because I seem to have started this whole debate of biblical proportions because I was trying to make a much simpler point, namely that none of us know what RTX (or anyone else for that matter) would actually be paying per chip. Although we've seen the slide that references a $4–$50 price per chip (volume dependent) range, we don’t actually know what “volume” means in BrainChip world or where on that sliding scale a customer would sit.
So, my comment was about revenue uncertainty. But somehow, I know not how, it has apparently become incumbent upon me to explain the history of semiconductor costings and the empirical and ethical virtues of variable cost versus fixed cost allocations and how this does or doesn't tie in with the huge sum of money Jeff Bezos recently spent on the Melanoma documentary. I have no insight into any of those matters, sadly.
The truth is, I don’t know anything worth reporting other than the fact I’m about to top up another glass of vino before I’m asked to produce a wafer yield sensitivity spreadsheet.
Cheers!
And thanks for the explanation but it seems that Mr P has taken a powder and scarpered.
I guess betwixt us we’ve managed to quiet his fevered brow, allayed his concerns and put all his doubts to rest.
So, having done our good deed for the day, I’ll say good night sweet princess and gawd bless all who sail in your sauna.
GazDix
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Yeah mate, great question. I always should be fixed cost per unit really, or are they hinting at what the variable cost is so therefore the volume order?? Anyway, ironically AI helps.Yeah, I considered that too, but it's a pretty dumb mistake to have made it into a capital raise presentation.
But the fucker's have got form.
Any other theories out there???
Quickly now. I'm about to open the gin.
Fullmoonfever
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Is the west worried yet 
From a couple of days ago.
From a couple of days ago.
Stanford AI Professor Warns We “Understand Almost Nothing” About AI Systems at India Summit | AI1G | Jagan Nathan Vaman
NEUROMORPHIC AI :: “bigger GPU clusters = better AI” isn’t obsolete — but it is evolving! Hyperscalers continue to invest heavily in GPU infrastructure for model training and large inference workloads. However, the real bottleneck today isn’t just compute power — it’s energy, operational cost...
Is the west worried yet
From a couple of days ago.
I was watching the comparison of the same event a year ago and the progress since then is unbelievable. I’d say we’ve got some serious competition out there.
It is becoming increasingly clear that GPUs are not the only solution.
The concept of neuromorphic computing is gaining importance, and researchers are experimenting with implementing it themselves.
Thanks to these insights, there is a growing understanding of the mature technologies available to the market, such as BrainChip with Akida.
Boab
I wish I could paint like Vincent
When you see progress like this you can understand why the DoD(DoW), NASA and other US Gov bodies are allocating huge amounts of money to "get shit done".
https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/send-a-story
Ill just leave this link here
Imagine if 60 minutes ran a story on BRN
Ill just leave this link here
Imagine if 60 minutes ran a story on BRN
smoothsailing18
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https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/send-a-story
Ill just leave this link here
Imagine if 60 minutes ran a story on BRN
Indeed this is the perfect example of eye opening marketing for potential Australia investors. 60 min has a huge audience which includes potential brainchip customers as well.
perceptron
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Great discussion.
Great discussion.
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