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Rude.

You know there's nothing stopping you from contributing your own research here, instead of just playing town critic.

What both you and @TheDrooben seem to have missed is that I posted an excerpt from an article that nobody else had picked up on, which is what formed the basis of my ChatGPT query. Ironically, that post itself was in response to a comment about ChatGPT being “useless,” to show how it can be used in a constructive way.

The excerpt I shared highlighted Arm stating the Mali GPU and AI accelerator are “optional” in their latest platform. That’s a critical point, because it means chipmakers can slot in whichever accelerator they choose.


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So far, nobody else has discussed this or Arm’s Zena platform and I’ve been trying to connect the dots

In a previous post #83,058, I commented on Renee Hass (Arm's CEO) being asked whether Arm would consider making its own accelerator, and how that ties into this more recent “optional accelerator” comment.

Likewise, in another previous post #83,075, I pointed out how Paul Williamson (Senior Vice President and General Manager, IoT Line of Business) also hinted about Arm potentially needing a higher-performance NPU.

The interesting angle for me is whether Arm might be weighing RTL versus chiplet integration for Akida/TENNs. That’s what I’m trying to get at, even if I lack the technical depth to do all the heavy lifting myself.

Thanks to ChatGPT, I’ve learned that AI accelerators can be integrated as a) RTL blocks in a monolithic SoC, or b) they can be dropped in as chiplets using frameworks like CSA/UCIe.

ChatGPT is also helping me to ascertain how Akida/TENNs could slot into that optional accelerator role, either as a companion block alongside Ethos-U85/M85, or a chiplet via Arm’s ecosystem. And how Akida 2 + TENNs versus Akida 3 + TENNs might fit into Arm’s longer-term chiplet ambitions.

That’s the line of thinking behind my posts. If it’s not appreciated, fair enough. Maybe I should just keep my research to myself.
IMO we all have to get used to reading AI produced information. Just like Neuromophic Edge AI ain't going anywhere except up.
The trick is understanding its limitations and as 'you do' and frame queries in such a way that increases probability.
As long as its disclosed as 'chatty' produced as you do then every poster has an option ' to read or not to read'.
A specific question to 'chat' will reveal how to increase the probabilities of a correct answer.
I enjoy your posts.
 
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Rude.

You know there's nothing stopping you from contributing your own research here, instead of just playing town critic.

What both you and @TheDrooben seem to have missed is that I posted an excerpt from an article that nobody else had picked up on, which is what formed the basis of my ChatGPT query. Ironically, that post itself was in response to a comment about ChatGPT being “useless,” to show how it can be used in a constructive way.

The excerpt I shared highlighted Arm stating the Mali GPU and AI accelerator are “optional” in their latest platform. That’s a critical point, because it means chipmakers can slot in whichever accelerator they choose.


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So far, nobody else has discussed this or Arm’s Zena platform and I’ve been trying to connect the dots

In a previous post #83,058, I commented on Renee Hass (Arm's CEO) being asked whether Arm would consider making its own accelerator, and how that ties into this more recent “optional accelerator” comment.

Likewise, in another previous post #83,075, I pointed out how Paul Williamson (Senior Vice President and General Manager, IoT Line of Business) also hinted about Arm potentially needing a higher-performance NPU.

The interesting angle for me is whether Arm might be weighing RTL versus chiplet integration for Akida/TENNs. That’s what I’m trying to get at, even if I lack the technical depth to do all the heavy lifting myself.

Thanks to ChatGPT, I’ve learned that AI accelerators can be integrated as a) RTL blocks in a monolithic SoC, or b) they can be dropped in as chiplets using frameworks like CSA/UCIe.

ChatGPT is also helping me to ascertain how Akida/TENNs could slot into that optional accelerator role, either as a companion block alongside Ethos-U85/M85, or a chiplet via Arm’s ecosystem. And how Akida 2 + TENNs versus Akida 3 + TENNs might fit into Arm’s longer-term chiplet ambitions.

That’s the line of thinking behind my posts. If it’s not appreciated, fair enough. Maybe I should just keep my research to myself.

Not rude, but honest! AND it is my decision! I do not have the time, and I also do not want to read all those pages with something an AI is guessing. ChatGPT might be right sometimes, but also wrong many times.

I asked you before to reduce those posts to summaries, and many people here supported that, but you ignored it and continued posting those long stories. Who was rude here?

I have always highly appreciated your posts before you started using ChatGPT, but I do not see those posts anymore. It is only ChatGPT you have been posting lately. That's your decision.

You cannot win them all!
 
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Apologies, you're right. Nonetheless their LinkedIn post today reaffirms the partnership has not been affected after the acquisition by Qualcomm.

While that’s true, the question is:
Doesn’t it defeat the actual purpose why we got partnered in the first place, when developers can no longer train new models on Akida?!

In yesterday’s LinkedIn post, Edge Impulse started out by saying:


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Yet, when interested developers then visit the Edge Impulse/Ecosystem-Partners/BrainChip webpage you shared earlier (which I personally find appealing, by the way) and then click on “BrainChip Docs” under “RESOURCES”…


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… this is how they will be greeted:


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That is very unprofessional and should have been rectified ages ago - I recall that somebody even addressed this issue during the AGM in May, to which our management replied they weren’t aware of any problem with model training on Edge Impulse.
Although a month earlier, @Smoothsailing / @smoothsailing18 had already asked IR for clarification on this issue and got a reply from Tony Dawe that our CTO Tony Lewis were not concerned and had instead referred to the suspension as a “temporary situation” stemming from the acquisition, since Qualcomm had to “review all contracts and commercial arrangements”. (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-457138)


Or else, if model training really DOES continue to be suspended for whatever reason, they should stop with the misleading message that developers can train models for their Akida platform on Edge Impulse, as it currently only concerns those developers who already have “existing trained Edge Impulse projects to deploy to BrainChip devices”.

Either way not a good look.
 

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Nice to see we're hooked up with Parallax and Steve Harbours group intertwined with the US Govt strategies on microelectronics.

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Aug 26, 2025

In April 2025, the White House released its Amended National Strategy on Microelectronics Research, calling for bold action to strengthen America’s microelectronics innovation ecosystem, expand secure domestic production, and deliver next-generation architectures that go beyond conventional silicon. At Parallax Advanced Research and the Ohio Aerospace Institute, we are delivering on that vision now, translating foundational research in neuromorphic and bio-inspired systems into the lab-to-fab pathways and workforce development the national strategy demands.

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Caption: Dr. Steven Harbour, director of AI Hardware Research at Parallax Advanced Research and the Ohio Aerospace Institute

“Neuromorphic computing, living microprocessors, and hybrid bio-organic architectures aren’t distant dreams — they’re active research directions right here in Ohio,” says Dr. Steven Harbour, director of AI Hardware Research at Parallax Advanced Research and the Ohio Aerospace Institute. “We’re doing exactly what the national strategy calls for: pioneering the fourth wave of microelectronics that merges organic and inorganic materials for adaptive, secure, and energy-efficient hardware.”

The White House strategy sets four national goals. Parallax/OAI’s research and partnerships align with each in practical, measurable ways.

First, Goal 1 of the national strategy calls for enabling and accelerating research advances for future generations of microelectronics, specifically emphasizing the development of unconventional materials, robust non-von Neumann architectures, and heterogeneous integration. Parallax/OAI’s projects such as NEUROPATH and Minilla deliver on this priority by advancing IGZO-FinFET hybrids, bio-organic computing elements, and event-driven spiking neural networks that push computing beyond the von Neumann bottleneck. Dr. Harbour’s team is developing RF-to-Light-to-Spike pipelines that integrate photonics, sensing, and neuromorphic processing — demonstrating the very interdisciplinary, heterogeneous designs the strategy names as essential to next-generation performance. Their work on hardware co-design for integrity and security also directly reflects the strategy’s call to prioritize security alongside power, performance, and cost.

Second, the strategy’s Goal 2 emphasizes bridging research to manufacturing through stronger infrastructure and a clear lab-to-fab transition.

“Translating neuromorphic concepts into real, manufacturable silicon takes tight coupling of materials science, design, and packaging,” Harbour said. “Our Minilla and Akida testbeds do exactly that — providing a place where unconventional ideas can become manufacturable designs.”

NEUROPATH explores sparse spike architectures that are scalable in CMOS, while Parallax’s partners help expand access for academia and small business innovators to test and prototype their novel systems. This practical testbed access directly supports the federated networks and advanced prototyping capabilities called for in the White House strategy.

Third, the national strategy highlights the urgent need to grow and sustain the U.S. microelectronics workforce, ensuring that future engineers and technologists are prepared for cutting-edge hardware design and manufacturing. Dr. Harbour’s dual role as a professor and mentor ensures that Parallax/OAI is not just building better microarchitectures — but also building the people who will design, test, and secure them in the years ahead.

“We’re growing the next generation of neuromorphic engineers right here in Ohio,” Harbour said. “Our students and early-career researchers work directly with technologies that are five to ten years ahead of the commercial curve. This is what workforce readiness looks like.”

Finally, Goal 4 calls for a vibrant innovation ecosystem that translates research breakthroughs into trusted domestic production and national security capabilities. Parallax/OAI demonstrates this ecosystem mindset in action. Through collaborative ventures with public-private-academic partners, Parallax/OAI shows how regional clusters can act as national force multipliers. These partnerships ensure that breakthrough architectures — like spiking LLMs and living microprocessor concepts — are not only developed but tested, secured, and positioned for commercialization here in the United States.

“The strategy is clear: the future of microelectronics leadership depends on non-traditional architectures and bio-integrated designs that can’t be easily copied or compromised,” Harbour said. “By building this work in Ohio and with our national lab and defense partners, we help keep America’s microelectronics edge secure and resilient.”

As the White House notes, the next five years will be decisive for America’s position in microelectronics. That’s why Parallax/OAI urges policymakers, program managers, and prime contractors — especially those leading defense and dual-use microelectronics programs — to leverage the research assets, testbeds, and talent pipelines already being built in Ohio and across the Midwest. Working together, these partnerships can accelerate non-von Neumann architectures from lab to fab, cultivate a future-ready workforce, and strengthen the secure domestic supply chain that underpins national security and economic prosperity alike.

“Neuromorphic, bio-inspired, and heterogeneous systems are more than buzzwords. They’re exactly what the nation needs to stay ahead,” Harbour said. “Parallax/OAI is ready to make it real.”

Source: National Strategy on Microelectronics Research, as amended April 2025 — National Science and Technology Council, Executive Office of the President.

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About Parallax Advanced Research & the Ohio Aerospace Institute  
Parallax Advanced Research is a private advanced research institute that tackles global challenges through strategic partnerships with government, industry, and academia. It accelerates innovation, addresses critical global issues, and develops groundbreaking ideas with its partners. In 2023, Parallax and the Ohio Aerospace Institute, an aerospace research institute located in Cleveland, OH, formed a collaborative affiliation to drive innovation and technological advancements across Ohio and the nation. The Ohio Aerospace Institute plays a pivotal role in advancing aerospace through collaboration, education, and workforce development. More information can be found at parallaxresearch.org and oai.org.  
 
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Nice to see we're hooked up with Parallax and Steve Harbours group intertwined with the US Govt strategies on microelectronics.

My bold.



Aug 26, 2025

In April 2025, the White House released its Amended National Strategy on Microelectronics Research, calling for bold action to strengthen America’s microelectronics innovation ecosystem, expand secure domestic production, and deliver next-generation architectures that go beyond conventional silicon. At Parallax Advanced Research and the Ohio Aerospace Institute, we are delivering on that vision now, translating foundational research in neuromorphic and bio-inspired systems into the lab-to-fab pathways and workforce development the national strategy demands.

Picture 2, Picture

Caption: Dr. Steven Harbour, director of AI Hardware Research at Parallax Advanced Research and the Ohio Aerospace Institute

“Neuromorphic computing, living microprocessors, and hybrid bio-organic architectures aren’t distant dreams — they’re active research directions right here in Ohio,” says Dr. Steven Harbour, director of AI Hardware Research at Parallax Advanced Research and the Ohio Aerospace Institute. “We’re doing exactly what the national strategy calls for: pioneering the fourth wave of microelectronics that merges organic and inorganic materials for adaptive, secure, and energy-efficient hardware.”

The White House strategy sets four national goals. Parallax/OAI’s research and partnerships align with each in practical, measurable ways.

First, Goal 1 of the national strategy calls for enabling and accelerating research advances for future generations of microelectronics, specifically emphasizing the development of unconventional materials, robust non-von Neumann architectures, and heterogeneous integration. Parallax/OAI’s projects such as NEUROPATH and Minilla deliver on this priority by advancing IGZO-FinFET hybrids, bio-organic computing elements, and event-driven spiking neural networks that push computing beyond the von Neumann bottleneck. Dr. Harbour’s team is developing RF-to-Light-to-Spike pipelines that integrate photonics, sensing, and neuromorphic processing — demonstrating the very interdisciplinary, heterogeneous designs the strategy names as essential to next-generation performance. Their work on hardware co-design for integrity and security also directly reflects the strategy’s call to prioritize security alongside power, performance, and cost.

Second, the strategy’s Goal 2 emphasizes bridging research to manufacturing through stronger infrastructure and a clear lab-to-fab transition.

“Translating neuromorphic concepts into real, manufacturable silicon takes tight coupling of materials science, design, and packaging,” Harbour said. “Our Minilla and Akida testbeds do exactly that — providing a place where unconventional ideas can become manufacturable designs.”

NEUROPATH explores sparse spike architectures that are scalable in CMOS, while Parallax’s partners help expand access for academia and small business innovators to test and prototype their novel systems. This practical testbed access directly supports the federated networks and advanced prototyping capabilities called for in the White House strategy.

Third, the national strategy highlights the urgent need to grow and sustain the U.S. microelectronics workforce, ensuring that future engineers and technologists are prepared for cutting-edge hardware design and manufacturing. Dr. Harbour’s dual role as a professor and mentor ensures that Parallax/OAI is not just building better microarchitectures — but also building the people who will design, test, and secure them in the years ahead.

“We’re growing the next generation of neuromorphic engineers right here in Ohio,” Harbour said. “Our students and early-career researchers work directly with technologies that are five to ten years ahead of the commercial curve. This is what workforce readiness looks like.”

Finally, Goal 4 calls for a vibrant innovation ecosystem that translates research breakthroughs into trusted domestic production and national security capabilities. Parallax/OAI demonstrates this ecosystem mindset in action. Through collaborative ventures with public-private-academic partners, Parallax/OAI shows how regional clusters can act as national force multipliers. These partnerships ensure that breakthrough architectures — like spiking LLMs and living microprocessor concepts — are not only developed but tested, secured, and positioned for commercialization here in the United States.

“The strategy is clear: the future of microelectronics leadership depends on non-traditional architectures and bio-integrated designs that can’t be easily copied or compromised,” Harbour said. “By building this work in Ohio and with our national lab and defense partners, we help keep America’s microelectronics edge secure and resilient.”

As the White House notes, the next five years will be decisive for America’s position in microelectronics. That’s why Parallax/OAI urges policymakers, program managers, and prime contractors — especially those leading defense and dual-use microelectronics programs — to leverage the research assets, testbeds, and talent pipelines already being built in Ohio and across the Midwest. Working together, these partnerships can accelerate non-von Neumann architectures from lab to fab, cultivate a future-ready workforce, and strengthen the secure domestic supply chain that underpins national security and economic prosperity alike.

“Neuromorphic, bio-inspired, and heterogeneous systems are more than buzzwords. They’re exactly what the nation needs to stay ahead,” Harbour said. “Parallax/OAI is ready to make it real.”

Source: National Strategy on Microelectronics Research, as amended April 2025 — National Science and Technology Council, Executive Office of the President.

###

About Parallax Advanced Research & the Ohio Aerospace Institute  
Parallax Advanced Research is a private advanced research institute that tackles global challenges through strategic partnerships with government, industry, and academia. It accelerates innovation, addresses critical global issues, and develops groundbreaking ideas with its partners. In 2023, Parallax and the Ohio Aerospace Institute, an aerospace research institute located in Cleveland, OH, formed a collaborative affiliation to drive innovation and technological advancements across Ohio and the nation. The Ohio Aerospace Institute plays a pivotal role in advancing aerospace through collaboration, education, and workforce development. More information can be found at parallaxresearch.org and oai.org.  

Hi Fmf,

This is from the Parallax webpage, so not as up-to-date as your news, but it pairs Loihi 2 with Akida, so yours wins:

https://parallaxresearch.org/news/b...uromorphic-artificial-intelligence-electronic

Parallax Advanced Research and the Future of Neuromorphic Artificial Intelligence in Electronic Warfare​


Scaling Neuromorphic Systems

Parallax is at the forefront of advancing third-generation AI algorithms, partnering with Intel and Brainchip to develop scalable neuromorphic hardware.

Harbour says, “Both Intel’s Loihi and Brainchip’s hardware appears plausibly scalable for platforms like fighter aircraft or drones.”
In terms of deployment, neuromorphic processors can be integrated into existing electronic countermeasure (ECM) pods, widely used in both Air Force and Navy operations. These pods, which are part of strike packages including crewed and uncrewed aircraft, offer a clear pathway for fielding these advanced systems across the Department of Defense (DoD).

As Harbour said, “The ultimate goal is scalability across air, sea, land, and space domains, ensuring these systems operate effectively on the front lines.”

Haven't found anything on Minilla.

I was curious about IGZO, so prof wiki told me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indium_gallium_zinc_oxide

Indium gallium zinc oxide (IGZO) is a crystalline semiconducting material, consisting of indium (In), gallium (Ga), zinc (Zn) and oxygen (O), with a unique atomic arrangement that ensures stable performance. This unique crystalline structure enhances picture resolution and supports compatibility with diverse display technologies, contributing to higher efficiency, performance, and reliability.[1]

IGZO has a very low leakage current and an exceptionally high electron mobility, which is 20-50 times greater than that of amorphous silicon commonly used in liquid-crystal displays (LCDs) and e-papers. The high electron mobility facilitates the miniaturization of transistors and thinning of circuits, allowing for greater light transmission per pixel, effectively doubling the resolution without losing the brightness. This further results in fast response time or less processing delay.[2] Additionally, IGZO is known for its low power consumption. Unlike conventional screens that require all pixels to be driven continuously, IGZO retains image information without refreshing. This reduces its power consumption to as little as one-fifth or even one-tenth that of traditional displays. This further leads to an extension in battery life of portable devices.[3]

IGZO is widely used in thin-film transistors (TFT) for display applications, such as in the TFT backplane of flat-panel displays (FPDs). IGZO-TFT was developed by Hideo Hosono's group at Tokyo Institute of Technology and Japan Science and Technology Agency (JST) in 2003 (crystalline IGZO-TFT)[4][5] and in 2004 (amorphous IGZO-TFT).[6] Since IGZO-TFT has 20–50 times the electron mobility of amorphous silicon, IGZO-TFT can improve the speed, resolution and size of flat-panel displays. It is currently used as the thin-film transistors for use in organic light-emitting diode (OLED) TV displays. While polycrystalline silicon can also exhibit high electron mobilities, its performance is often inconsistent due to the grain boundaries and affect device reliability. In contrast, amorphous IGZO (a-IGZO) TFTs offers a more cost-effective and practical alternative, as it can be fabricated over large areas at low temperatures, ensuring greater uniformity and quality.[7]

IGZO-TFT and its applications are patented by JST.[8] They have been licensed to Samsung Electronics[8] (in 2011) and Sharp[9] (in 2012).

In 2012, Sharp was the first to start production of LCD panels incorporating IGZO-TFT.[10] Sharp uses IGZO-TFT for smartphones, tablets, and 32" LCDs. In these, the aperture ratio of the LCD is improved by up to 20%. Power consumption is improved by LCD idling stop technology, which is possible due to the high mobility and low off current of IGZO-TFT.[11] Sharp has started to release high pixel-density panels for notebook applications.[12] IGZO-TFT is also employed in the 14" 3,200x1,800 LCD of an ultrabook PC supplied by Fujitsu,[13] also used in the Razer Blade 14" (Touchscreen Variant) Gaming Laptop and a 55" OLED TV supplied by LG Electronics.[14]

IGZO's advantage over zinc oxide is that it can be deposited as a uniform amorphous phase while retaining the high carrier mobility common to oxide semiconductors.[15] The transistors are slightly photo-sensitive, but the effect becomes significant only in the deep violet to ultra-violet (photon energy above 3 eV) range, offering the possibility of a fully transparent transistor
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The original IGZO patent: US10032931B2 Switching element 20040312 pub 20180724.
 
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I’ve noticed that people keep complaining about others who actually share good contributions – sometimes they just don’t like this or that, others take a joke too personally, or say someone is “using too much AI.” Many act as if they have the authority to decide what can or cannot be posted in the forum.

Personally, I only have an issue with spam and constant bashing. If posts are too long for me – like those from @Frapa – I simply ignore them. I think a lot of things could be expressed more briefly instead of in endless walls of text. Often it feels like there’s a competition going on where everyone tries to outdo each other with information.

In my opinion, no one has the right to tell others how to write, as long as nobody is being directly insulted. Fun is part of a forum too – including memes, otherwise the GIF function wouldn’t exist. Some people should just pull themselves together or use the “ignore” button if something bothers them. That’s exactly what I do – and some have done the same with me. It saves time and nerves, and in the end you only see the posts that actually interest you. iMO
 

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New podcast “Innovations in Edge AI” with our CEO Sean Hehir and Transform NOW podcast host Michael Marchuk from SS&C Blue Prism








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Some interesting snippets:


From 4:09 min

Podcast host: “So how do you see the differentiation happening within the way you’re positioning your particular architecture vs the way that say Nvidia, Google or some of the others with their specific architectures.”

The second part of Sean Hehir’s answer was:

We complement them. We’re not gonna compete with them. They’re excellent in what they do, we’re excellent in what we do. And, you know, they cannot do, what we can do, just like we could or could not do some of the things they do. There is no reason our technology couldn’t go there, but there is no really need to go there right now, because they’re there and people are not overly sensitive about power, yet. Some day they will be, but right now these technologies are very complementary. Just use the right tool for the right task at hand. Nothing more complicated than that.”


From 5:34 min

Podcast Host: “How do you see moving your architecture into that type of space [= data center], or do you see that as an eventuality?”

Sean Hehir: “Our mission is to enable the Edge. We have no plans right now at all to move our stuff into the data center. Over time, couldn’t that happen? Absolutely. We think there’s a very large addressable market. We’re staying focused on that addressable market, because that’s where we excel, but you’re absolutely right, the world is waking up, there is limits on the power. You know, and many people in the data center now are trying to reduce their power signature, and they’re gonna run into to some technological limits. And later on, you’re gonna talk about some of the bases of our technology which are inherently lower-power, and some of the things around taking advantage of event-based or neuromorphic and sparsity and all the things that we do exceptionally well, those principles will start to be really really important in the data center in the coming decades.”


So you heard it from the horse’s mouth: “We have no plans right now to move our stuff into the data center.” (And I assume he wasn’t talking about the Laguna Hills office furniture etc 😂)


From 22:54 min:

Podcast host: “So are we gonna see BrainChip IP in some of these humanoid robots that we’ve seen being developed?”

Sean Hehir: “I certainly hope so, and I expect so.”




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“September 5, 2025 – At IAA MOBILITY 2025, Mercedes-Benz presents a new era of electric mobility and sets the next milestone in its product offensive.

Mercedes-Benz is continuing the largest product offensive in the company’s history and is showcasing major technological advancements at IAA MOBILITY 2025. The product showcase includes more than 40 models scheduled for launch between 2025 and 2027.

At the center of the event is the world premiere of the brand-new all-electric GLC. The trade fair premiere of the groundbreaking CONCEPT AMG GT XX explores the limits of performance and innovation. In addition, Mercedes-Benz provides insights into its innovations, its strategic initiatives related to the product offensive, the Mercedes-Maybach brand, as well as an update on the company’s strategic direction.”

In that PDF is mentioned only Qualcomm and NVIDIA


 
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