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[Fullmoonfever]

The reference to reLU is interesting:

"

• Added support for "Add > ReLU > GAP" pattern

"

There was a recent BRN talk (AL/JT ? maybe the Roadmap*?) which I understood to mean that ReLUs were replaced by LookUp Tables (LUTs) because ReLUs were very power hungry.


* Roadmap @ 7:30: https://brainchip.com/brainchip-technology-roadmap/ "activation function" in Akida 2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activation_function

So given ReLU is power hungry & we replaced (as standard?) with LUT then is it possible someone specifically wants ReLU availability hence them still being listed in Git and docs?

 

[jrp173]

Wait! So You've just admitted to the world that you invested in a company because essentially one person or in your words "fan boy" hyped it up online

And to your second point. Eh no. The CEO (LDN, Peter or Sean) at no stage DURING ANY AGM in the time I've been invested said that "there was going to be an explosion of revenue". Obviously they want revenue to increase but they never said that.

Given the conservative approach on announcing shit this simply never happened at an AGM. The only time that I can remember a statement being made with regards to sales in an AGM was by Antonio when he said that one contract could make Brainchip profitable over night and that was said at the 2024 AGM.

What you are referring to is an interview PVDM did with Commsec where he stated that he was expecting an explosion of sales to happen in time. That quote might not be exact but it's roughly what was said.

 

[Doz]

The reference to reLU is interesting:

"

• Added support for "Add > ReLU > GAP" pattern

"

There was a recent BRN talk (AL/JT ? maybe the Roadmap*?) which I understood to mean that ReLUs were replaced by LookUp Tables (LUTs) because ReLUs were very power hungry.


* Roadmap @ 7:30: https://brainchip.com/brainchip-technology-roadmap/ "activation function" in Akida 2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activation_function

ReLU strikes back …..

ReLU Strikes Back: Exploiting Activation Sparsity in Large Language...

Large Language Models (LLMs) with billions of parameters have drastically transformed AI applications. However, their demanding computation during inference has raised significant challenges for...

openreview.net

 

[Diogenese]

So given ReLU is power hungry & we replaced (as standard?) with LUT then is it possible someone specifically wants ReLU availability hence them still being listed in Git and docs?

The inner workings of Akida software are beyond my pay grade. However, the LUTs were introduced in Akida 2, probably as part of the 8 times efficiency improvement over Akida 1. If Akida 1 uses ReLU, this may be a tweak.

Further efficiency is provided in the secret sauce of the memory data movement patent applications which were in preparation at the time of the Roadmap broadcast.

My understanding* of ReLU activation function comes from the Wiki page. The neuron output is modified by multplying by the ReLU function. It could be a crude step function between -1 and +1, os the smooth S-shaped sigmoid transition, or some other comparable function:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activation_function

* "understanding" is an exaggeration. "information about" is more accurate.

 

[AusEire]

You've gone a major league highlighting rampage.

Saying "They are looking forward to" is a bit different to "there will be an explosion of sales".

Saying that "there will be" implies that it will happen.

 

[Diogenese]

ReLU strikes back …..


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ReLU Strikes Back: Exploiting Activation Sparsity in Large Language...

Large Language Models (LLMs) with billions of parameters have drastically transformed AI applications. However, their demanding computation during inference has raised significant challenges for...

openreview.net

Hi Doz,

Great research,

According to the abstract, GELU and SiLu are more processor intensive.

The abstract compares ReLU with lemons, but we are using cherries.

If anything, this abstract presents a stronger case for LUTs compared with alternatives.

 

[Diogenese]

Share price brings me back to Coleridge again:
"Like a painted ship upon a painted ocean."

 

[Luppo71]

World's first ?.

Dont believe it, we have a 3 year lead.
Lol

 

[Diogenese]

So given ReLU is power hungry & we replaced (as standard?) with LUT then is it possible someone specifically wants ReLU availability hence them still being listed in Git and docs?

This is not necessarily the correct explanation, but I imagine they would be better off with a tailor-made LUT, one-and-done.

The ReLU can be represented as a graphical plot (X and Y axes), with unique Y values for each X value determined by the ReLU formula.

The issue with ReLU is that, each time it is used, it has to do the calculation from scratch, whereas, the ReLU performance can be mapped to a LUT once and for all, no further calculation required.

 

[Esq.111]

Evening neuromut,

Fuck off.

Esq.

 

[miaeffect]

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[Rach2512]

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Another one on ignore, that's 2 today.

 

[Diogenese]

Another one on ignore, that's 2 today.

Whack-a-mole.

 

[Bravo]

I kept quiet about being scammed because I was embarrassed. But silence only made it worse. AptRecoup made it okay to speak up. They never judged me or minimized what happened. Instead, they gave me direction, support, and a voice. Their strength comes from experience—they’ve been through the same nightmare. That shared connection is what makes their work so powerful. If you’re feeling trapped by shame or doubt, I urge you to email s u p p o r t @ a p t r e c o u p . c o m . You don’t need to suffer in silence. They’re here, and they get it.

Dear Numnut,

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After receiving 459,567 phone calls from solar-panel-peddlers this year alone, I can happily report that your post on this forum has really captured my attention.

Something about you wreaks of genuinity and I now regard you as someone I can really trust. Is it too early for me to call you my friend? Perhaps we will find something mutually beneficial in our burgeoning relationship, as I too am an entrepreneur.

Can you please divulge to me your mobile phone number as I’d dearly like, nay love, to have a long conversation with you about solar panels and…. toilet paper, which is the topic closest to my heart and my wallet, since it is what my core business is about. And this is where I need you.

I have a stockpile of toilet paper being held in quarantine at the Docklands wharf . If you can guarantee me a winning deal on your solar panels, I will promise you a lifetime’s supply of premium quality, 1ply shit tickets.

Offer ends soon.

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Bravo

 

[Diogenese]

Dear Numnut,

I would love to buy solar panels from you!

After receiving 459,567 phone calls from solar-panel-peddlers this year alone, I can happily report that your post on this forum has really captured my attention.

Something about you wreaks of genuinity and I now regard you as someone I can really trust. Is it too early for me to call you my friend? Perhaps we will find something mutually beneficial in our burgeoning relationship, as I too am an entrepreneur.

Can you please divulge to me your mobile phone number as I’d dearly like, nay love, to have a long conversation with you about solar panels and…. toilet paper, which is the topic closest to my heart and my wallet, since it is what my core business is about. And this is where I need you.

I have a stockpile of toilet paper being held in quarantine at the Docklands wharf . If you can guarantee me a winning deal on your solar panels, I will promise you a lifetime’s supply of premium quality, 1ply shit tickets.

Offer ends soon.

This message will self destruct in 10 seconds.

Bravo

1 ply! That's living in the fast lane!

 

[Diogenese]

This is the BRN white paper on cybersecurity which in fact found it's way into my online feed:


https://brainchip.com/wp-content/up...nger-in-AI-Computing-for-Cybersecurity_v3.pdf


The paper includes a couple of tables comparing Akida 1 with Loihi 2, and at the end says that Akida 2 is even better.

I think this is the only cybresecurity SoC. Everything else if software. Silicon logic is faster than software. With the ever increasing reliance on the interweb, it is essential to have the most effective cybersecurity.

We developed cybersecurity with Quantum Venture (CyberNeuro-RT) in an SBIR for US Dept of Energy. We are now offering an M2 (credit card size) PCB with Chelpis.

https://brainchip.com/brainchip-and-quantum-ventura-partner-to-develop-cyber-threat-detection/

https://www.chelpis.com/post/brainchip-collaborates-with-chelpis-mirle-on-security-solution

Every home should have one (or two, ...)

 

[Rach2512]

1 ply! That's living in the fast lane!

Shit tickets! Bravo that's bloody hilarious, you crack me up big time, love it

 

[itsol4605]

Chelpis, a chip company leading the Quantum Safe Migration ecosystem in Taiwan, is developing an M.2 card using the AKD1000 that can be inserted into targeted products to support their cryptographic security solutions.

The M.2 card is based on a design from BrainChip along with an agreement to purchase a significant number of AKD1000 chips for qualification and deployment.

Upon completion of this phase, Chelpis is planning to increase its commitment with additional orders for the AKD1000.

BrainChip collaborates with Chelpis-Mirle on security solution

M.2 card is based on a design from BrainChip along with an agreement to purchase a significant number of AKD1000 chips for qualification and deployment.

www.dqindia.com

 

[MegaportX]

Dear Numnut,

I would love to buy solar panels from you!

After receiving 459,567 phone calls from solar-panel-peddlers this year alone, I can happily report that your post on this forum has really captured my attention.

Something about you wreaks of genuinity and I now regard you as someone I can really trust. Is it too early for me to call you my friend? Perhaps we will find something mutually beneficial in our burgeoning relationship, as I too am an entrepreneur.

Can you please divulge to me your mobile phone number as I’d dearly like, nay love, to have a long conversation with you about solar panels and…. toilet paper, which is the topic closest to my heart and my wallet, since it is what my core business is about. And this is where I need you.

I have a stockpile of toilet paper being held in quarantine at the Docklands wharf . If you can guarantee me a winning deal on your solar panels, I will promise you a lifetime’s supply of premium quality, 1ply shit tickets.

Offer ends soon.

This message will self destruct in 10 seconds.

Bravo

 

[smoothsailing18]

This is the BRN white paper on cybersecurity which in fact found it's way into my online feed:


https://brainchip.com/wp-content/up...nger-in-AI-Computing-for-Cybersecurity_v3.pdf


The paper includes a couple of tables comparing Akida 1 with Loihi 2, and at the end says that Akida 2 is even better.

I think this is the only cybresecurity SoC. Everything else if software. Silicon logic is faster than software. With the ever increasing reliance on the interweb, it is essential to have the most effective cybersecurity.

We developed cybersecurity with Quantum Venture (CyberNeuro-RT) in an SBIR for US Dept of Energy. We are now offering an M2 (credit card size) PCB with Chelpis.

https://brainchip.com/brainchip-and-quantum-ventura-partner-to-develop-cyber-threat-detection/

https://www.chelpis.com/post/brainchip-collaborates-with-chelpis-mirle-on-security-solution

Every home should have one (or two, ...)

Is there a time line to market for these cybersecurity BRN devices ?.