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Lex555

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I just watched this video, thanks for sharing it @stuart888.

The following is a bit of a rant, but I think it makes some valid points. I apologise in advance for the words that are spewing forth from my fingers. I hope I don‘t mislead too many, and hopefully help some.

For me, this video tells quite an intriguing story. I originally only watched it because I wanted to see how people from 1962 worked with computers of the day. But after watching it, I found It is actually quite revealing of just how grand Akida is. What an amazing quantum leap Akida represents. Especially when it gets LTSM and cortical columns working to even better emulate the human brain. That will allow prior experience and big picture thinking to come into play, even potentially pre-cognition.

Firstly, I noticed how absolutely stuck on binary logic these 1962 scientists where. They saw everything as yes or no. Which does work and has worked for decades. It’s just so bloody limiting.

This also emphasised just how dumb computers are! Computers blindly follow rules, and hence are completely at the mercy of the programmer. They just blindly apply the rules VERY quickly, and in a reproducible manner, and so appear to be clever.

The blocks problem was a particularly good example of this. For those who haven’t watched the video—Given a pattern of black and white blocks, and some rules about how the blocks can be placed, reproduce the pattern.

I believe Billy did follow the rules when he first solved the problem by adding two same coloured blocks that were not adjacent. The rules DO NOT say the blocks have to be adjacent. That was an adjunct added by the tester, and implied by the pictures. This must have been coded in the computer program, but human error neglected to add it to the written rules presented to Billy. I think the tester stated something like “place two blocks together”. Billy just interpreted the word together as simultaneous, or time adjacent, rather than spatially adjacent. A clever interpretation IMHO.

Billy got a typical response of “Oh well, yes, you did solve it, but not the way I wanted to you to solve it.”

So not wrong then! Just different, that kind of stuff the brain does well, and computers cannot do. Maybe not until now - or In the imminent future.

I was equally impressed by Billy‘s absolutely first attempt of exactly reproducing the pattern, by placing the blocks down one at a time. This shows how prior experience and non-binary logic works. He saw the big picture and devised a mechanism to solve it directly that didn‘t apply the rules. He determined that the rules were not the most efficient way to solve the problem.

Again, this is the kind of stuff an intelligent human brain does well.

The computer program, as it was programmed to do, and as limited by pure binary logic, looked at a single column at a time and rather inefficiently tried to resolve any issues in that column alone. Again, yes that works, it IS effective, but it isn‘t how the human mind solves a pattern matching problem.

Computing, since 1962, progressed to using bytes and words. Well the 1962 computers probably did use 4-bit bytes. But with modern computers using 64 bit words (and possibly even 128 bit words now) as complete logic blocks, applying masks to determine what the combination of bits mean. Boolean logic can even be applied directly to these, and even to matrices of these words, to solve more complex problems in a single pass.

This allowed computers to do more complex things quicker, but still in a rather unintelligent, always pre-programmed, way.

Bring in neuomorphic computing and Akida. Some of the examples given by Anil Manaker show logic, and weightings, going back to single bits where appropriate. This results in ultra-low power consumption. Extra nodes and layers are brought into play as needed. And Akida has the ability to learn and hence apply logic that is outside of the initial rules. Just like Billy did so many years ago!

Learning burns in a pathway and reverts back to single bit logic and instant recognition. The fact that Akida does this in single shot is far superior to even the human brain. We need repetition to burn memories. And the more repetition, the better.

Akida does truly more closely mimic the way the brain works, and even seems to exceed it in its learning capability. Bring on LTSM and cortical columns and the amount of information that can form a memory and achieve single bit-like efficiencies becomes immense. Very complex things can be learned And associated to other very complex things.

It seems we have come full circle, back to single bits, but we haven’t. The nueromorphic processor may indeed use single bits but not in the same stupid way the original purely boolean based computers and programmers did/do.

e.g. Imagine a 1000 x 1000 pattern of red dots with an unknown number of blue dots randomly placed within it. And lets refine this particular case to there only being a single blue dot. It is possible to apply 1962 logic to this and test each of the 1M bits in isolation. You have to test them all because you don’t know how many anomalies here are. And even once it corrects the anomaly, the program must continue to test all 1M dots, even if the first one was the one in error. The human brain (and Akida) would ignore all the sameness and zoom in to the anomoly and fix it directly, and in a single step.

This is where Akida is fantastic in scarcity situations. And they appear to be the predominant cases - i.e. find a face in a crowd.

Better still, Akida uses zero power if an anomalous blue dot does not appear.

I have seen an experiment that does just this, timing eye movements to work out when the anomaly is found. The eye focuses on the dot within milliseconds.

The 1962 written program may also be as fast as the human eye/brin in this situation, but it would consume millions of times more power (than Akida) in all the unnecessary testing of each and every pixel and will be about one million times slower than Akida, assuming same clock speed.

Now where have we heard that analogy used before?
Great post Sly, I found the scanning for blue dots illustration a great example of the brute force current computers use, and the revolution that Akida truely is
 
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JK200SX

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webinar is starting
Unfortunately I haven't been able to join the webinar due to sons tennis training.
Can anyone comment on some of the key points regarding BRN/AKIDA?
 
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hotty4040

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Awesome response and history from FF on this question posed above. Also to add on to this conversation and this is my experience and perspective.... if you are a IT hardware/IP developer you don’t want to be just used as research hardware.

This is a general clear sign that the tech is “not fully working as we would like yet” and “still in development”...ie “its got some bugs”

I come from the ICT world and the view to me of a hardware vendor just placing their new tech out in the world for “research use” screams that this tech is really just at “proof of concept” stage and they don’t guarantee anything about it as yet. So they are saying use it (most likely for free) and have fun but it may have problems and we don’t really support it fully but let us know about the problems so we can then fix them all as we go.

Brainchip have achieved “fully tested” and “production” status and to achieve that for bleeding edge AI tech is very difficult and time consuming(as most of us know now) and It now places Akida in a whole other league.

So it is great to get into universities and research groups now for Brainchip (while not generating much dollars) this will help generate the value of being an “industry standard” or “best practice” and is available for production/commercial use is one of the biggest benefits.

Intel and IBM have not yet achieved what Brainchip has as their chips are not finalised/solved to even start many rounds of “production testing” and has not achieved the final state of “production ready” status so it can be released to the world for real world commercial use.

Would a Uni prefer to study a theoretic product or a real world commercial product.

Saturation of Brainchips products are occurring now....how many NDA’s :) ...how many high profile names associated now or broken cover to basically say there is a best practice hardware to use for Neuromorphic computing ....it’s Brainchip. This to me means the Uni’s will literally be chasing down Brainchip products for use in classes over time as their is no substitute for the smarts or anything else in true production that comes close.

Thanks for the input Fb6666, I'm certainly grasping the insiders view on this topic now. Intel and IBM, just aren't competitive in this class obviously. Nice to have this clarified to my satisfaction.

Q. Do you have a fastback ?

Thanks again Fb6666


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"Well the Data is in and ............Yes they did take out some more "Shorts" yesterday - 3.8 Mil NEW shorts for Tuesday
after Mondays 3.3 Mil and Fridays 11.3 Mil.
Quite a lot of shorts...............
.and the SP is still up around 0.90c aprox"

II just had an epithany Yak52..

It looks to me, like they are doubling down on their bets against Brainchip.

They could be in serious trouble here!

And I mean serious!

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Shorters right now

 
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Apologies for the blurry photos.
NVISO - webinar
It was great to watch and listen….👍
 

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The nvisio webinar confirmed we are on a winner.. Tim was positively gushing about the potential of neuromorphic hardware coupled with nvisio software. Unregulated consumer goods followed by more regulated automotive and medical applications in short order.
 
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Boab

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Looked like a very nice ad for Akida.
 

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Hrdwk

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Yup great webinar and now I understand what NVISIO do and what role they play in the ecosystem . They answered two of my questions.

We just need the hardware partners to integrate our IP into their solutions for the NVISIO data model to use.
 
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Very good presentation. Glad the slides are going to be emailed out as I was watching it on my phone so it was a bit hard to read it all.

It very much sounds like NVISO have been working on their software for years and it’s only now that Brainchip has developed the first Neuromorphic AI chip that it is able to be run in a real time situation on the edge. I know we are glad of the partnership but I could guarantee that NVISO is too. Brainchip has enabled them ”To create an industry that didn’t exist before.”

I think I heard that somewhere before. Hopefully there will be many more new industries to follow.

Realistically it sounds like it will be some time to market: but I’m comfortable with that as it gives me more time to accumulate until the big explosion of sales occurs!

Future’s looking great!
 
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Thanks for the input Fb6666, I'm certainly grasping the insiders view on this topic now. Intel and IBM, just aren't competitive in this class obviously. Nice to have this clarified to my satisfaction.

Q. Do you have a fastback ?

Thanks again Fb6666


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A rhetorical question @hotty4040

Intel Capital is invested in Nviso, SiFive and Prophesee.

According to Intel Capital’s web site they provide Intel engineers to work with those they provide capital to such as Nviso, SiFive and Prophesee AND SUGGEST TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS.

Why then are Nviso, SiFive and Prophesee not working with Intel’s Mike Davies and using Loihi 2?

My opinion only DYOR
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cosors

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What does ANA stand for? I can't find anything that fits.
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Based on the information presented I think it is quite possible that NVISO has achieved more with BrainChip in the last couple of months than the company has with other partners since they commenced development at the edge in 2013. Rapid improvements in performance and high performance AI at the edge due to the lower power requirements both highlighted by Tim.

Impressive demos, the Headpose AI App was superfast in recognising emotion. Amazing tech.
 
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Jumpchooks

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Perhaps the BrainChip - Prophesee partnership will be similarly announced to the BrainChip - Edge Impulse partnership, in that Edge Impulse was followed by the announcement of the Arm partnership.. Could the Prophesee partnership be followed up with a Sony announcement? 😎 Hmmmm
High quality lenses are possible, birds of prey for example. I remember a pro photographer who had a very expensive panoramic film camera that he used to take photos of the Victorian Lighthouses for a calendar shoot. The lens was about the size of the current day smart phone. Or an eye
 
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butcherano

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Here is the link for the NVISO webinar for June 22

Great preso from Nviso. Biggest take away for me was during the Q&A. Nviso are software. Brainchip are hardware. You can‘t pitch to the major auto companies and/or OEM’s to put these products on the market without both software and hardware running on commercially available products. Nviso got to that point within months (not years like I was first thinking) by just adding Akida into the mix. Makes you think about how many other products are literally sitting on the verge of commercialisation that could get across the line very quickly by combining with Akida.
 
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Boab

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This is such a wonderful advertisement for where we stand amongst the competition.
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Was also mentioned how important low power consumption is to Panasonic and others developing human consumption devices.
 
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