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I fail to see why MB would choose Akida for a successful POC with the EQXX and then move on to test other NPs afterwards? We know that they had Loihi in their hands before Akida was chosen for the EQXX anyway. It’s just would be illogical for them to take backward steps ats, particularly as has been pointed out independently by the space industry and others in their testing that Akida is the first choice simply because it’s the only truly commercially available and fully supported NP currently on the market. AIMO.A fellow forum user who in recent months repeatedly referred to his brief LinkedIn exchange with Mercedes-Benz Chief Software Officer Magnus Östberg (and thereby willingly revealed his identity to all of us here on TSE, which in turn means I’m not guilty of spilling a secret with this post that should have been kept private), asked Mercedes-Benz a question in the comment section underneath the company’s latest LinkedIn post on neuromorphic computing. This time, however, he decided not to share the carmaker’s reply with all of us here on TSE. You gotta wonder why.
Could it possibly have to do with the fact that MB’s reply refutes the hypothesis he had been advancing for months, namely that Mercedes-Benz, who have been heavily promoting their future SDV (software defined vehicle) approach that gives them the option of OTA (over-the-air) updates, would “more than likely” have used Akida 2.0/TENNs simulation software in the upcoming MB.OS release as an interim solution during ongoing development until the not-yet existing Akida 2.0 silicon became available at a later stage? The underlying reason being competitive pressure to be first-to-market…
The way I see it, the January 29 reply by MB clearly puts this speculation to bed:
The intelligent vehicle functionalities of the future call for pioneering new algorithms and hardware. | Mercedes-Benz AG
The intelligent vehicle functionalities of the future call for pioneering new algorithms and hardware. That’s why Mercedes-Benz is researching artificial neural networks that could radically increase the speed and energy efficiency of complex AI computations. This could revolutionise...www.linkedin.com
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Does that sound as if an MB.OS “Akida inside” reveal at the upcoming world premiere of the CLA were on the cards?
Setting aside the questions
a) about any requirements for testing and certification of car parts making up the infotainment system (being used to German/EU bureaucracy, I find it hard to believe there wouldn’t be any at all - maybe someone who is knowledgeable about automotive regulations within Germany and the EU could comment on this) and
b) whether any new MB model containing our tech could roll off the production line despite no prior IP license deal having been signed (or at least an Akida 1.0 chips sales deal; there has never been a joint development announcement either which could possibly somehow circumvent the necessity of an upfront payment showing up in our financials)….
… various MB statements in recent months (cf. Dominik Blum’s presentation at HKA Karlsruhe I shared in October: https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-439352 - the university of applied sciences they have since confirmed to cooperate with regarding research on neuromorphic cameras, journalists quoting MB engineers after having visited their Future Technologies Lab as well as relevant posts and comments on LinkedIn) have diminished the likelihood of neuromorphic tech making its debut in any soon to be released Mercedes-Benz models.
If NC were to enhance voice control and infotainment functions in their production vehicles much sooner than safety-critical ones (ADAS), MB would surely have clarified this in their reply to the above question posed to them on LinkedIn, which specifically referred to the soon-to-be released CLA, which happens to be the first model to come with the next-generation MB.OS that also boasts the new AI-powered MBUX Virtual Assistant (developed in collaboration with Google).
Instead, they literally wrote:
“(…) To fully leverage the potential of neuromorphic processes, specialised hardware architectures that efficiently mimic biologically inspired systems are required (…) we’re currently looking into Neuromorphic Computing as part of a research project. Depending on the further development progress, integration could become possible within a timeframe of 5 to 10 years.”
They are evidently exploring full scale integration to maximise the benefits of energy efficiency, latency and privacy. The voice control implementation of Akida in the Vision EQXX was their initial proof-of-concept to demonstrate feasibility of NC in general (cf. the podcast with Steven Peters, MB’s former Head of AI Research from 2016-2022: https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-407798). Whether they’ll eventually partner with us or a competitor (provided they are happy with their research project’s results) remains to be seen.
So I certainly do not expect the soon-to-be revealed CLA 2025 with the all-new MB.OS to have “Akida inside”, although I’d be more than happy to be proven wrong, as we’d all love to see the BRN share price soar on these news…
Time - and the financials - will ultimately tell.
Frangipani
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On 28 January, Jörg Conradt, who leads the Neuro Computing Systems Lab at KTH Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm, gave a presentation titled "Energy-smart Neuromorphic Sensing and Computation for Future Space Applications” at the AI for Space Applications Workshop that took place at KTH’s Digital Futures hub.
The workshop was held as part of the ASAP project:
While the first presentation slide didn’t look too exciting from a BRN shareholder’s perspective…
… we actually did get a mention later on, when Jörg Conradt touched upon a number of neuromorphic startups…
…although he didn’t get it quite right. Not only did he mix up the names of our company and its neuromorphic processor - he also misspelled and pronounced the latter as “Aikida”. And since when does BrainChip sound like a place name?
To be fair, though, he actually gave us an “out of this world” mention by pointing to what he mistook to be our company’s name and telling his audience (from 14:50 min):
“In fact, this company develops IP, and a very big Sweden-based space company has recently teamed up with Aikida [sic] to develop hardware - computing hardware - that they can send into space, that is potentially very robust against radiation and other effects.
So we have a common project starting on what to do with that hardware, and that’s my point of contact into space.”
It sounds as if Jörg Conradt’s lab at KTH will somehow be involved with whatever Frontgrade Gaisler has planned for Akida…
All the more reason he ought to familiarise himself with A & B ASAP.
Encouragingly, Akida made another appearance shortly after (this time with impeccable orthography) - if only for a split second, before Jörg Conradt moved on to the next slide. It was in the context of a research project titled Neuromorphic Edge Computing for Urban Traffic Monitoring in the city of Stockholm, funded by Digital Futures, a cross-disciplinary research centre established by KTH Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm University and RISE Research Institutes of Sweden. Akida was listed alongside SpiNNaker 2 and Loihi 2 under “neuromorphic chips” and even had the honour of providing an exemplary image for that category.
Jörg Conradt didn’t specify whether or not the different neuromorphic processors were going to get benchmarked against each other, but I assume that’s the plan.
Here is some further information I found about said project that runs from January 2024 to December 2025 and “estimates a 100x reduction in power and a 20x reduction in installation cost.”
Edge computing for urban traffic monitoring — Digital Futures
Embedding low-power event cameras with low-power neuromorphic local computation provides a uniquely scalable solution for the growing need to monitor urban traffic and resource flows in real time...
I wonder whether this urban traffic monitoring project with the help of event-based cameras was somehow inspired by the 2023 tinyML Pedestrian Detection Hackathon submission (utilising Akida) from Cristian Axenie’s SPICES lab at TH Nürnberg. It doesn’t seem that far fetched to make a connection - after all, they know each other well: Jörg Conradt was Cristian Axenie’s PhD supervisor at TUM (Technical University of Munich).
Frangipani
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Speaking of Cristian Axenie:
He just launched a new website that I am sure @Sirod69 will love:
Akida is hiding behind the upper left research project (footage from the 2023 tinyML Pedestrian Detection Hackathon submission).
A cursory glance at the other projects couldn’t make out our hardware anywhere else under “Academics” or “Research”.
It might, however, be worthwhile to check out this new project page from time to time, especially once other scientists and engineers have come on board.
He just launched a new website that I am sure @Sirod69 will love:
Akida is hiding behind the upper left research project (footage from the 2023 tinyML Pedestrian Detection Hackathon submission).
A cursory glance at the other projects couldn’t make out our hardware anywhere else under “Academics” or “Research”.
It might, however, be worthwhile to check out this new project page from time to time, especially once other scientists and engineers have come on board.
TheUnfairAdvantage
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The headline says top 10 edge AI chips. The article continues……Are we not an IP company? Those companies produce chips. Maybe that’s why we’re not on the list
“Looking for an AI processor for a computer vision system, a robot or a home appliance? These top 10 edge AI chips are designed to accelerate AI workloads without being power-hungry.”
Doesn’t say chip producers nor chip IP companies. Just chips. Now wouldn’t Brainchips Akida fit the headline and the opening editorial paragraph.
My guess it’s a paid editorial and Brainchip chose not to pay.
An easy and interesting read not directly brainchip related
www.iotforall.com
How AI, Edge Computing and Quantum Internet Will Transform Connectivity | IoT For All
How transformative technologies like AI, edge computing, and quantum internet are shaping the future of connectivity, focusing on the telecommunications landscape in the UK.
Someone familiar with Probabilistic Cellular Automata (PCA) and Markov Decision Processes (MDP)??
www.nature.com
Revolutionizing load harmony in edge computing networks with probabilistic cellular automata and Markov decision processes - Scientific Reports
In general, edge computing networks are based on a distributed computing environment and hence, present some difficulties to obtain an appropriate load balancing, especially under dynamic workload and limited resources. The conventional approaches of Load balancing like Round-Robin and...
In Africa will be also a huge market.. a lot of people don’t talk about Africa…
www.itnewsafrica.com
Exploring the Future of IoT: Edge Computing, AI, 5G, & Security in 2025
This article explores how key IoT trends, from edge computing and AI integration to 5G and enhanced security, are shaping 2025 landscape.
www.itnewsafrica.com
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And here you can read why ElectraEV chose edge computing and not cloud
www.autocarpro.in
Why Electra EV chose edge computing, and not cloud computing, for its SDV offering | Autocar Professional
Moving away from the cloud architecture is seen as cutting down on latency and improving privacy and control.
Hi jtardif,
As I said a couple of days ago:
It looks like there will be no Akida IP silicon in ADAS in the near future, and Akida simulation software appears to be impractical for EVs. As DB says, there's always hope it can make an appearance in infotainment.
Having been rummaging through my archives, I dug out this article (Google translated from German) which also puts the dampener on infotainment:
Mercedes-Benz wechselt von NVIDIA zu Qualcomm
Qualcomm zieht bei Mercedes-Benz ein - den Anfang macht die neue E-Klasse mit MBUX NTG 7 (MBUX 3). Das wurde auf der IAA 23 auch bestätigt.
mbpassion.de
MERCEDES-BENZ MOVES FROM NVIDIA TO QUALCOMM
MARKUS JORDAN·TECHNOLOGY·SEPTEMBER 11, 2023
As Qualcomm officially confirmed at the IAA Mobility 2023 in Munich, Mercedes-Benz will in future use the hardware from Qualcomm's Snapdragon Digital Chassis for the MBUX infotainment platform (3) as well as the telematics functions of the vehicles, including connection to the 5G wireless network. Qualcomm bundles the latter function in its own Snapdragon Automotive Connectivity platform. A first model for this is the new E-Class of the 214 model series, which will be launched on the market before the end of 2023.
In the current MBUX generation (NTG 7), Mercedes-Benz still uses processors from the manufacturer NVIDIA, the largest version of which is an 8-core processor with 24 GB of RAM. Neither Mercedes-Benz nor Qualcomm initially announced in detail which Qualcomm processors will provide replacements in the future. Mercedes-Benz is using the technology to implement the new MBUX (3) infotainment system including Superscreen in the new E-Class. The supplier here is Bosch, which buys directly from Qualcomm and delivers to Mercedes-Benz.
With the cooperation with Qualcomm, Mercedes-Benz will discontinue or at least limit the use of NVIDIA processors in the MBUX system in the future. However, since the Stuttgart-based company has agreed on "revenue sharing" with Nvidia, Nvidia has so far received a share of the revenue that Mercedes-Benz generates from the sale of driver assistance systems. The agreement previously amounted to a 50 percent share of the proceeds.
Pom down under
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Don’t look like it’s been posted before? So if it has I’ll delete it.
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Getupthere
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Sean might want to watch this video on how to communicate more effectively with investors, just like the Weebit CEO has.
Smoothsailing
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This below is worth listen to on YouTube as he talks about AI trained in the cloud and running on AI on Qualcomm at the edge,
Livestream: Qualcomm Investor Day 2024: IoT and Automotive Diversification Update
Humble Genius
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He said "boon" as in David.
The problem is that if our selling machine doesn't hurry up and score some goals, we could wake up one more with news from the PRC that they've developed a neuromorphic chip similar/better than ours, then what next?
Smoothsailing
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Hi jtardif,
As I said a couple of days ago:
It looks like there will be no Akida IP silicon in ADAS in the near future, and Akida simulation software appears to be impractical for EVs. As DB says, there's always hope it can make an appearance in infotainment.
Having been rummaging through my archives, I dug out this article (Google translated from German) which also puts the dampener on infotainment:
Mercedes-Benz wechselt von NVIDIA zu Qualcomm
Qualcomm zieht bei Mercedes-Benz ein - den Anfang macht die neue E-Klasse mit MBUX NTG 7 (MBUX 3). Das wurde auf der IAA 23 auch bestätigt.
MERCEDES-BENZ MOVES FROM NVIDIA TO QUALCOMM
MARKUS JORDAN·TECHNOLOGY·SEPTEMBER 11, 2023
As Qualcomm officially confirmed at the IAA Mobility 2023 in Munich, Mercedes-Benz will in future use the hardware from Qualcomm's Snapdragon Digital Chassis for the MBUX infotainment platform (3) as well as the telematics functions of the vehicles, including connection to the 5G wireless network. Qualcomm bundles the latter function in its own Snapdragon Automotive Connectivity platform. A first model for this is the new E-Class of the 214 model series, which will be launched on the market before the end of 2023.
In the current MBUX generation (NTG 7), Mercedes-Benz still uses processors from the manufacturer NVIDIA, the largest version of which is an 8-core processor with 24 GB of RAM. Neither Mercedes-Benz nor Qualcomm initially announced in detail which Qualcomm processors will provide replacements in the future. Mercedes-Benz is using the technology to implement the new MBUX (3) infotainment system including Superscreen in the new E-Class. The supplier here is Bosch, which buys directly from Qualcomm and delivers to Mercedes-Benz.
With the cooperation with Qualcomm, Mercedes-Benz will discontinue or at least limit the use of NVIDIA processors in the MBUX system in the future. However, since the Stuttgart-based company has agreed on "revenue sharing" with Nvidia, Nvidia has so far received a share of the revenue that Mercedes-Benz generates from the sale of driver assistance systems. The agreement previously amounted to a 50 percent share of the proceeds.
Mt09
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Livestream: Qualcomm Investor Day 2024: IoT and Automotive Diversification Update
Qualcomm invites you to join us for Investor Day 2024: IoT and Automotive Diversification Update, live from Manhattan, NY on November 19th, 2024 at 2:00 PM E...
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Are we not an IP company? Those companies produce chips. Maybe that’s why we’re not on the list
Hi Jo...nice to see you post, try it more often, what you questioned is 100% correct, Sally knows our company extremely well, she wouldn't leave us out to be vindictive, either it was paid content which is a strong possilbility or she doesn't like Sean
..none the less, who really cares, our engagements tell the "real story" don't they.We are definitely getting what I'd term..strong interest from, NASA, ESA, USAFRL, RATHEON, DOD, US NAVY, AIRBUS, THALES, DOE...just to name a few...think of aerospace companies, think of anything that the human imagination can vision, we are in "a" boxseat.
Remember what our former poster used to say, we only need 1% of the future action to be successful, my only criticism would be, "I'll never sell below $40 a share"...absolute bullshit, I hope we are both still alive to shake hands on that...we will be sold prior to that...check Seans record.
Keep the great posts coming through, lots of excellent opinions being shared...opinions are never right nor wrong...just different viewpoints, and they are all valuable.
God Bless Believers.
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Food4 thought
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I guess the question is when will the true value of brainHi Jo...nice to see you post, try it more often, what you questioned is 100% correct, Sally knows our company extremely well, she wouldn't leave us out to be vindictive, either it was paid content which is a strong possilbility or she doesn't like Sean
We are definitely getting what I'd term..strong interest from, NASA, ESA, USAFRL, RATHEON, DOD, US NAVY, AIRBUS, THALES, DOE...just to name a few...think of aerospace companies, think of anything that the human imagination can vision, we are in "a" boxseat.
Remember what our former poster used to say, we only need 1% of the future action to be successful, my only criticism would be, "I'll never sell below $40 a share"...absolute bullshit, I hope we are both still alive to shake hands on that...we will be sold prior to that...check Seans record.
Keep the great posts coming through, lots of excellent opinions being shared...opinions are never right nor wrong...just different viewpoints, and they are all valuable.
God Bless Believers.
be determined and when will we get some traction on the ASX. I personally think unless we get a wriggle on we might get lost in the white wash i really hope we can just get some signings soon.
Food4 thought
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First month gone only 11 to go before the next Santa rallyI guess the question is when will the true value of brain
I personally think unless we get a wriggle on we might get lost in the white wash i really hope we can just get some signings soon.
4 months until the next AGM
Less than 12 months for Sean’s 5 year Plan
( can’t remember the exact dates )
I do believe that we are in a great position
Just need the special sauce to rain down on everything.
HopalongPetrovski
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Thanks for that image.
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