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Great answer Quiltman. “Very good chance, but not definite”. The design cycle timeline lines up perfectly and I agree the royalties on sales would be the most likely scenario. From the limited spec details we know, its hard to see it being anything else.

As a developing company, BRN have made great progress in the last 2 years. As shareholders it’s been a horrendous 2 years. I genuinely think the next 2 years will be what we all thought the last 2 we’re going to be and commercial traction will start to reveal itself, and probably sooner rather later. Renasas chip released soon, Mercedes reveal soon, scala3 release soon and gen 2 prove out any minute. All pivotal moments either way to come between now and Xmas.

There were obviously a few nibbles at Akd1000 that hopefully bear fruit soon, but gen 2 is what it’s all about. If it’s announced as successful very soon, Antonio said companies were waiting for general availability before committing so that hopefully translates to licence news soon too.
Without immediate news unfortunately we might see .20’s this week but by Xmas I think it will be a different story. It’s tough to watch but this isn’t the end, it’s a lull.
(If we are still flailing in the same commercial position 12 months from now then we have problems)
Great points..

How genius was that Capital call now roughly between 58-68c for $12.2mill AUD.

Only $2.8mill left to draw down by Dec 31..

Knowing Gen 2 out plus a string of other hopefuls there’s still a chance to get the next call out above the first 2023 avg. 🤞
 
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The last investor updates had proven shorters and fools right about the company and we holders wrong. I don't know what is behind the scenes but the words were almost exact. Our 1.0 was not robust enough to support the sp. Which in other means stands no where.
I am a believer of technology and believes company will learn from their failures and come out of dark. We have better ecosystem, better products , better market insights than what we had 3 years ago. So hopefully things will change for better.
I also believe that 1st strike was an eye opener for the management and if they cannot improve in time that means we are in serious trouble now.
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The last investor updates had proven shorters and fools right about the company and we holders wrong. I don't know what is behind the scenes but the words were almost exact. Our 1.0 was not robust enough to support the sp. Which in other means stands no where.
I am a believer of technology and believes company will learn from their failures and come out of dark. We have better ecosystem, better products , better market insights than what we had 3 years ago. So hopefully things will change for better.
I also believe that 1st strike was an eye opener for the management and if they cannot improve in time that means we are in serious trouble now.
Dyor
Agreed mate. Would be nice if our CEO came out of the woodwork once in a while..
 
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Bravo

If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!


Thanks for sharing 2the🌕! Great to see NVIDIA shown as an Edge Impulse partner at 43.43 mins.✅

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Re NVIDIA, I'm just going to revive an old post (#60,518), because I'm too lazy to re-phrase it, by way of demonstrating how impossible it would be to imagine that NVIDIA isn't totally and 100 percentiley aware of us.

So, I'm looking forward to the Edge Impulse "Imagine" online event on the 27 September. 2023

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The last investor updates had proven shorters and fools right about the company and we holders wrong. I don't know what is behind the scenes but the words were almost exact. Our 1.0 was not robust enough to support the sp. Which in other means stands no where.
I am a believer of technology and believes company will learn from their failures and come out of dark. We have better ecosystem, better products , better market insights than what we had 3 years ago. So hopefully things will change for better.
I also believe that 1st strike was an eye opener for the management and if they cannot improve in time that means we are in serious trouble now.
Dyor
Listening to the update provides an answer to a lot of unanswered questions e.g departure of LDN, why company was looking for a technical person to head the company, why company changed it's policy on public disclosure after LDN.
I am hopeful the things are changing for betterment.
To me there is no enjoyment of success without a failure. Yes I am in red but still hopeful that management will not try to hide facts from share holders and era and expectations from LDN times are well behind us.
The 3rd important point I realized is software developments. ( which to me was the biggest reason for akida 1 not going past a certain stage). So this time we have many more ecosystem partners who are working on technology. No doubt softwares may still not match the big enterprises but they will be good enough to support our journey upto big enterprises.
So fingers crossed let us see how brn launch second generation akida.
 
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How about us next Monday?
Another 15% or company do some what they supposed to do . They make the trap for shareholder, why they keep doing this way? We all knew the figures not going to be good, then release it normal way , the people will understand if they understand. But the current way, only make the thing worse! And with no awareness, keep doing it . I think at this stage if the Sales won’t be good, the company really need a Good Experienced public relations person .


Bloodbath? Hahaha
By now this is a standard week for BRN holders.



 

For interest little bit over 7 mins
Haven't seen this posted before.
 
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I for one can’t wait for next a AGM to vote these idiots out, problem will be we may not have a company by then.
The last investor updates had proven shorters and fools right about the company and we holders wrong. I don't know what is behind the scenes but the words were almost exact. Our 1.0 was not robust enough to support the sp. Which in other means stands no where.
I am a believer of technology and believes company will learn from their failures and come out of dark. We have better ecosystem, better products , better market insights than what we had 3 years ago. So hopefully things will change for better.
I also believe that 1st strike was an eye opener for the management and if they cannot improve in time that means we are in serious trouble now.
Dyor
 
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I'd love to hear from Sean about this HY report. Seems the biggest expense has been salaries and employee expense accounts. I don't feel were getting value for money here.. gets paid millions to bring in 100k. A fish n chip shop makes more. Wouldn't you think they'd take a pay cut in such times as these..
 
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This is not a positive. Well done to the 50 odd people that liked ROBT "buying up big" post
It took 3 minutes to look up how ROBT is composed. All tech companies in this ETF are ranked into 3 categories. 30 companies per category. Each company has the SAME equal weighting with this being rebalanced quarterly.

SO the only reason they are "BUYING UP BIG" is because they have to due to BRN share price falling quarter on quarter on quarter. The "BUYING UP BIG" is to keep BRN weighted the same in the category they are in.
I guess this post wont get 50 likes even though its correct and factual.

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"The share price will do what the share price will do"
Spoken by a person that will never put one dollar of his own money into the company.
 
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This is not a positive. Well done to the 50 odd people that liked ROBT "buying up big" post
It took 3 minutes to look up how ROBT is composed. All tech companies in this ETF are ranked into 3 categories. 30 companies per category. Each company has the SAME equal weighting with this being rebalanced quarterly.

SO the only reason they are "BUYING UP BIG" is because they have to due to BRN share price falling quarter on quarter on quarter. The "BUYING UP BIG" is to keep BRN weighted the same in the category they are in.
I guess this post wont get 50 likes even though its correct and factual.

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"The share price will do what the share price will do"
Spoken by a person that will never put one dollar of his own money into the company.
Absolutely correct.
 
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Bravo

If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
This is not a positive. Well done to the 50 odd people that liked ROBT "buying up big" post
It took 3 minutes to look up how ROBT is composed. All tech companies in this ETF are ranked into 3 categories. 30 companies per category. Each company has the SAME equal weighting with this being rebalanced quarterly.

SO the only reason they are "BUYING UP BIG" is because they have to due to BRN share price falling quarter on quarter on quarter. The "BUYING UP BIG" is to keep BRN weighted the same in the category they are in.
I guess this post wont get 50 likes even though its correct and factual.

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"The share price will do what the share price will do"
Spoken by a person that will never put one dollar of his own money into the company.

It says the "index selects the top 30 companies within each category", so that's pretty good! I mean, they've selected NVIDIA, Tesla and Valeo, so we're in good company right?
 
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It says the "index selects the top 30 companies within each category", so that's pretty good! I mean, they've selected NVIDIA, Tesla and Valeo, so we're in good company right?

Yes its great to be included in this ETF. It is full of successful tech companies so hopefully BRN can start signing up some customers.
Currently the ETF has brainchip with a weighting of 0.51%.
 
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'Several active customers elected to defer their evaluation of BrainChip’s technology until after the expected release of Akida 2.0 in August 2023'.

So what exactly does this statement from Antonio really mean. It appears to me that no evaluation was done by these companies and that said evaluation will only begin when they get their hands on Gen2. If the usual design cycle is 3 to 4 years then products from this particular cohort of customers will not appear for ages. Have they not been playing around with Akida1000 with the view of incorporating Gen2 quickly into a product range?

Is AKIDA actually groundbreaking? 3 things need to happen over the next month 1. Mercedes confirmation that AKIDA is in their next EV's. 2. Valeo confirmation that we are in Scala 3 and 3. Release of Gen2 and confirmation that specific customer requests have been addressed in this release and that product development is underway to incorporate it.

If by some miracle each of these events come to pass over the next month then we will see a significant re-rate. If none of them happen then I doubt AKIDA is actually a viable solution for the current commercial market. IMO this is a binary outcome that will play out very soon.
 
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I am puzzled to see there are still a number of people looked really surprised about the revenue figure knowing no new license has been signed since November 2021. Of course the jan-jun half year report will post little revenue. Panicing for what you already knew since june?

akida 2.0 is finally so close to its general availability, and we all know unlike the 1.0, 2.0 was developed with partners and customers input. Which means, they told us what they need on top of 1.0, and we developed the 2.0 exactly to their requirements.

Good luck for those thinking about selling out right before the first akida 2.0 ip sale annoucements
 
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I'd love to hear from Sean about this HY report. Seems the biggest expense has been salaries and employee expense accounts. I don't feel were getting value for money here.. gets paid millions to bring in 100k. A fish n chip shop makes more. Wouldn't you think they'd take a pay cut in such times as these..

That's a good point I am bullish and optimistic about the company however I do share a level of disappointment with all here regards to the salaries and share perks so removed from reality like it is a blue chip multi million dollar earning company at present. I do have a substantial investment because I believe in our tech however the value of our shares keeps dropping. There must be a stop to this pattern.
Shareholders effectively pay for these salaries & perks and we just want our money working for us.
I also wonder if Sean and the board can see the hurt and start to expedite the sales and /or contracts. If the product is there with Gen 2 Akida, the patents are there, sales forces are there, the partnerships are there, what's the delay? I still think they could surprise the market with another substantial announcement in the next few days we wait and see. 🧐🤞
 
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When somebody takes a license from us most likely it is way at the front end design cycle and so at best, at best they’re 2 to 3 years out from having production in any sort of meaningful volume, so to be honest they might not even get there so given the time frames plus all the other features that they have to work on that they haven’t done yet at the time they’ve taken a license from us you know our licensee might want to wait a bit before tipping the market with respect to to what technology they’re working on or what product they’ll be producing and naturally this impacts how we make announcements to the market place.”

What’s your take on this comment? Especially in respect to my highlighted section. What is he saying here? To be honest, they might not even get there? I’m confused
Hi there.
Just because our ambition is to be ubiquitous, that doesn't mean we will be the ultimately perfect or even best solution to every technical conundrum out there.

Many applications are being developed by competitors in these still early days of neuromorphic processing and our patent wall necessitates that novel competing designs and approaches will be developed that our manufacturing users will want to examine and test against our offering.

We will win some and we will lose some. 🤣

Sean, Peter and now Antonio have all explained, and we have seen evidence in the many examples reproduced here on these threads, that in some applications extant and perhaps cruder and less efficient solutions have, and continue to be adopted instead of our Akida solution.

The people who are making the decisions have grown up on and are familiar and comfortable with older technology.

As new concepts and applications are developed and shown to be superior but which would strain the capacity of existing tech our offerings will become an available solution.

As yet, such applications that are pushing the boundaries and capabilities of existing tech tend towards autonomous vehicles (from spacecraft through passenger vehicles and into multifarious drones), military spec applications (of which we will only get peeks due to security concerns) and other areas where innovation is a necessity because of either status or status quo concerns.
Much of this is still at the developmental stage and yet to be made available for mainstream consumption.

So.
It's all taking longer than many of us would like.
I think that this is as much of a surprise and concern for the Company as it is for us.

I think they also expected faster and earlier adoption and are also struggling with the current situation, but being, for the most part, experienced professionals they express these facts with little hysteria.

Every engagement BrainChip has with a prospective user comes with mutual NDA's as standard operating procedure and as stated above by Antonio, just what we can announce at any given time is very restricted by our end user's corporate and marketing requirements.

Hence the extremely conservative approach to ASX releases which irks so many and which provides such rich fodder for the shorts and other manipulators.

Looking back we have to conclude that our share price was over inflated at our $2+ peaks driven by a combination of exuberant enthusiasm sparked by the MB declaration, pent up expectation from existing holders, and market force hype granted to any spiking share price by traders looking for quick returns and both ignorant and uninterested in any fundamental or intrinsic value or property of the stock in question.

None of this makes we true believers wrong or should give cause to turning upon or eating each other.

We know progress, however seemingly glacial, is occurring, much of which is behind closed doors.

We know the announcements we all pine for are drafted and awaiting release.

Will it be this Monday.......next month.......December this year or January next????

As one particularly talented musical instrumentalist I know says.......our FOMO keeps us here. 🤣

Hang in their fellow believers.

We may or may not get smashed again on Monday, but at the moment, we are all we've got.

So......Fuch the splitters!

 
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Been travelling to and at a business conference this past week so not read a lot other than yesterday's releases.

Regardless of how we see these as holders, the overall market sentiment is the litmus and no doubt will not be happy unfortunately.

Having said that, I'm curious in the statement contexts as below.

The first is obviously out ot yesterday's report with the second from a March media release.

My question is, are the same several customers deferring the same as the early adopters or different.

If the early adopters are diff, what level of engagement is there, just input, wants etc or do they also have early access ahead of "general availability" and if so, what level of evaluations have they undertaken in the past 6 months?

That is to also say, are early adopters new potential or other customers (outside the several active indicated in yesterday's release) already testing?

By definition customers, adopters and partners (which we have quite a few of obviously) can be different imo.

Dependent on the statement context that may or may not be a level of positivity to look at as the early adopters could be 6 months or more down the track already.


....and noting that several active customers elected to defer their evaluation of BrainChip’s technology until after the expected release of Akida 2.0 in August 2023.


Akida comes with a Models Zoo and a burgeoning ecosystem of software, tools, and model vendors, as well as IP, SoC, foundry and system integrator partners. BrainChip is engaged with early adopters on the second generation IP platform. General availability will follow in Q3' 2023.
 
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