AVZ Discussion 2022

[Thaz]

It's a shame they put the break in the y axis

What can you do? We're too big

 

[Winenut]

I thought $10 was the anchoring price and $12 was the meme price with the f@#$ Zinjin bonus?
Not that I can be bothered going back 2167 pages to confirm.

Ohh okay Mr Smartypants

Yes you are most likely on the money there with the Zijin premium

For the record you actually only had to go back 2166 pages to confirm it....

 

[Frank]

Update at icsid page:

Case Details | ICSID

t.co

https://x.com/anonymous_seeu/status/1922036518635376969

 

[Winenut]

Ai summary

Let's break down this statement:
* "The Tribunal issues a decision...": This means that a formal panel or body (the Tribunal) has made an official ruling. Tribunals are often set up to resolve specific types of disputes.
* "...on the Respondent’s request to address the objections to jurisdiction as a preliminary question...":
* The Respondent is the party against whom a claim or dispute has been brought.
* The objections to jurisdiction are arguments made by the Respondent that the Tribunal does not have the authority or legal power to hear the case.
* To address these objections as a preliminary question means the Respondent wanted the Tribunal to decide whether it even had the right to hear the case before getting into the details of the actual dispute ("the merits").
* "...as a result, the objections to jurisdiction are joined to the merits of the dispute.":
* Joined to the merits means that instead of deciding on the jurisdictional objections first, the Tribunal has decided to consider the objections at the same time as it considers the substance or core issues of the dispute ("the merits").
In simpler terms:
The party being sued (the Respondent) asked the Tribunal to first decide if the Tribunal even had the authority to hear the case. The Tribunal said "no" to this request. Instead, they will deal with the question of their authority at the same time as they consider the actual arguments of the dispute.


Essentially, the Tribunal has decided not to resolve the "can we even hear this case?" question upfront, but to consider it alongside the "what actually happened?" question.
Do you have any other parts of this statement you'd like me to clarify?

Personally I would have preferred if they just came out and said......

"Nope.......lé fuck you. We have jurisdiction"

 

[Dazmac66]

Great — here’s how joining jurisdiction with the merits can affect the case timeline and strategy:

1. Timeline Impact​

• Longer process: Because the Tribunal won’t decide right away whether it even has the authority to hear the case, the proceedings will move forward into the full dispute phase. This adds time and cost for both sides.
• No early dismissal: If the Tribunal had ruled on jurisdiction first and found it had no authority, the case could have ended early. Now, the parties must go through the entire case before knowing if the Tribunal can even rule on it.

2. Strategic Impact​

• Higher legal costs: Both sides must now prepare for a full hearing, covering both jurisdiction and the actual dispute.
• Leverage shifts: The Respondent (who raised the jurisdiction objection) loses a chance to stop the case early. This might give the Claimant more confidence moving forward.
• More complex arguments: Lawyers must now present legal and factual arguments together, which can make the case more complicated.

In summary: the Tribunal’s decision to delay the jurisdiction question means the case is moving into full gear, which could benefit the side pushing to have their claims fully heard.

 

[Frank]

And how does that reconcile with the US claiming they can only get involved if all the bullshit and shenanigans stops? By starting from a foundation of bullshit shenanigans? That's why the ONLY way this works is for AVZ to AGREE. That's what's in Nigel's statement, and that's what's got to happen.

Trump is already breaking global alliances and global economies. What do you think is going to happen to trust in the US and the entire global trade system it underpins if news comes out that they did a dodgy deal with a corrupt government to steal a project from an ALLY. It would shatter what last little bit of trust remained that the US was a country people could trust to do business with.

Not a chance. Not even with Trump.

This thing doesn't happen without AVZ being on board and that doesnt happen without a deal that's substantially better than our prospects with CATH.

There is a win-win-win situation on the table here if the US and DRC aren't too arrogant to take it.

There is a win-win-win situation on the table here if the US and DRC aren't too arrogant to take it.

 

[Skar]

A screenshot from the PMT resource upgrade this morning.

View attachment 84349

See the // ....

Let's not forget what we have

Thats actually very interesting in and of itself... I remember the days when we used to just be an Asterisk on every competitor's investor presentation *AVZ omitted as an outlier.

The US now see us as being in scope.

 

[Pokok]

If your intent is good, welcome back!
Perhaps you can understand my suspicioun from my point of view?
Lots of new emerged posters spreading misinformation and trying to create discord!

To be fair he joined in 2002

 

[Pokok]

"Help me, Obi-Nigel, you're my only hope."
View attachment 84346
View attachment 84347
View attachment 84348

I take a cap with $12 on it thank you

 

[cruiser51]

Its kind of strange because if they did not have the authority to hear the case why are they hearing the case? More importantly why has the DRC asked the question as it gives authority and legitimacy to the ICSID,

Exactly.

 

[wombat74]

The ICSID is a non starter IMO . I'm expecting Kobold to tweak their offer to get a deal done ASAP . Kobold nuppty on YouTube was almost blowing his load with excitement .

 

[cruiser51]

What can you do? We're too big

Get a larger computer screen, easy.

The largest curved monitor currently sits at a staggering 55 inches, the Samsung Odyssey Ark.

 

[LOCKY82]

The ICSID is a non starter IMO . I'm expecting Kobold to tweak their offer to get a deal done ASAP . Kobold nuppty on YouTube was almost blowing his load with excitement .

Shortly after they researched roche dure

 

[cruiser51]

The ICSID is a non starter IMO . I'm expecting Kobold to tweak their offer to get a deal done ASAP . Kobold nuppty on YouTube was almost blowing his load with excitement .

Kobold still thinks they got it in the bag, this is still on their website.

 

[ptlas]

Kobold still thinks they got it in the bag, this is still on their website.

View attachment 84362

Which proves that they haven't.
Yet?

 

[ptlas]

I thought $10 was the anchoring price and $12 was the meme price with the f@#$ Zinjin bonus?
Not that I can be bothered going back 2167 pages to confirm.

Pretty sure that's right.
May have touched $16 at one point, but that would have been me on the Sheaf Stout.

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

I thought $10 was the anchoring price and $12 was the meme price with the f@#$ Zinjin bonus?
Not that I can be bothered going back 2167 pages to confirm.

I thought it was $10 anchoring then someone asked USD or AUD and it became $12 AUD?

 

[Skar]

Too much focus on what the amount will be. Would be nice to ponder when. AVZ have proposed to temporarily suspend the legal action to facilitate the transfer, presumably if terms have not been set, there would be no need for a transfer which means no need to pause, so the legal action would go ahead... which means we should see something in the next 3 weeks?

or am I reading this wrong?

 

[tonster66]

Too much focus on what the amount will be. Would be nice to ponder when. AVZ have proposed to temporarily suspend the legal action to facilitate the transfer, presumably if terms have not been set, there would be no need for a transfer which means no need to pause, so the legal action would go ahead... which means we should see something in the next 3 weeks?

or am I reading this wrong?

Thats how I am reading it. We should hear something at the 11th hour. The chinese will know the deal with Kobold (someone always leaks, and they have their spies). Like we know the chinese do, could make their offer in that 11th hour. One way or another we will know before arbitration.

 

[PhatCatz]

What is the delaying court tactic going to achieve at this hour? It’s not going to get the case thrown out or delayed weeks/months? Just seems an easy way to piss money up the wall in lawyer fees.