AVZ Discussion 2022

j.l

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Anyone expecting a Friday announcement??? If they’re going to extend the ICSID temporary suspension or not it’s pretty much the last day we can be advised

Delays in the peace negotiations are unfortunately frustrating the whole deal process

If that domino can fall maybe other events can happen quickly 🤷‍♂️

Fingers crossed

TACO Friday?

With China active in the background and now Kabila meddling it certainly remains 'interesting'...
 
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Samus

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Kibeya on that anti corruption committee makes me feel like we're living in some demented alternate reality.
Seems like our problems within the DRC government run pretty deep.
How that prick isn't in Jail or sacked at the very least is incomprehensible.
And this all happens after the supposed leaked US document which I've posted before but amidst the chaos we've just endured so some may have missed it:

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The document discusses identified conflicts of interest within the Congolese negotiation team during confidential talks between the United States and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) regarding an agreement on essential minerals. Key points include:

General Context
On April 3, 2025, in Kinshasa, Massad Boulos, senior advisor for Africa at the U.S. State Department and special envoy of President Trump, met with Félix-Antoine Tshisekedi, President of the DRC. Both parties expressed a mutual desire to strengthen economic relations. Boulos announced that a preliminary agreement had been reached on a strategic framework between the two countries, prioritizing diplomatic and industrial collaboration.

Identified Conflicts of Interest
Three individuals within the Congolese negotiation team raise serious concerns:

Patrick Mpoyi Luabeya

Special envoy of President Tshisekedi, advisor, and director of Sino-Congolaise des Mines (Sicomines SA), largely owned by Chinese companies.
Holds indirect interests in Chinese mining projects and has been involved in negotiations with Dan Gertler, under U.S. sanctions.
Major risk: structural conflict of interest with Chinese strategic interests and potential disclosure of sensitive information to Beijing.
Lisette Kabanga Tshibwabwa

Chairwoman of Cominière SA, linked to a controversial transaction favoring Zijin Mining (China) over AVZ Minerals.
Allegedly facilitated illegal acquisition of exploration permits and pressured the Mines Minister to issue exploitation permits to Chinese entities.
Her financial ties to Chinese interests pose risks of obstruction and manipulation in negotiations.
Célestin Kibeya

Director General of Cominière SA, involved in the illegal sale of Cominière’s stake in Dathcom Mining to Zijin, violating AVZ Minerals’ preemption rights.
Arrested in 2022 for corruption, undermining his credibility.
Strategic Questions for the U.S.
The lithium deposits in Manono and other assets are critical for U.S. supply chains. Resolving disputes between AVZ Minerals and Cominière over exploration permits is essential for advancing the agreement and attracting investments.

Risks of Status Quo

Disclosure of sensitive information to Chinese competitors.
Strategic obstruction of agreements with Western actors.
Damage to U.S. credibility if individuals suspected of corruption remain involved.
Operational Recommendations

Official Request for Replacement

The U.S. should recommend replacing individuals suspected of conflicts of interest or corruption.
Neutral and Credible Representatives

The Congolese side should appoint independent representatives unaffiliated with foreign interests, especially Chinese.
Enhanced Oversight

Establish a joint ethical and strategic review mechanism to prevent undue influence.
Diplomatic Conditionality

U.S. support for the agreement should be contingent on good governance, including the return of exploration permits to Dathcom Mining.
Conclusion
The DRC is a strategic partner for the U.S. in securing essential mineral supply chains. Success depends on institutional reliability, clear commitments, and stakeholder integrity. It is counterproductive to have individuals influenced by competing interests, particularly China, leading critical negotiations.

Authored by Nathanaël Huri, Independent Business Journalist/USA-Africa.
 
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Skar

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Kibeya on that anti corruption committee makes me feel like we're living in some demented alternate reality.
Seems like our problems within the DRC government run pretty deep.
How that prick isn't in Jail or sacked at the very least is incomprehensible.
And this all happens after the supposed leaked US document which I've posted before but amidst the chaos we've just endured so some may have missed it:

View attachment 87164

Here's a summary of the attached document generated by the AI assistant in acrobat reader:

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The document discusses identified conflicts of interest within the Congolese negotiation team during confidential talks between the United States and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) regarding an agreement on essential minerals. Key points include:

General Context
On April 3, 2025, in Kinshasa, Massad Boulos, senior advisor for Africa at the U.S. State Department and special envoy of President Trump, met with Félix-Antoine Tshisekedi, President of the DRC. Both parties expressed a mutual desire to strengthen economic relations. Boulos announced that a preliminary agreement had been reached on a strategic framework between the two countries, prioritizing diplomatic and industrial collaboration.

Identified Conflicts of Interest
Three individuals within the Congolese negotiation team raise serious concerns:

Patrick Mpoyi Luabeya

Special envoy of President Tshisekedi, advisor, and director of Sino-Congolaise des Mines (Sicomines SA), largely owned by Chinese companies.
Holds indirect interests in Chinese mining projects and has been involved in negotiations with Dan Gertler, under U.S. sanctions.
Major risk: structural conflict of interest with Chinese strategic interests and potential disclosure of sensitive information to Beijing.
Lisette Kabanga Tshibwabwa

Chairwoman of Cominière SA, linked to a controversial transaction favoring Zijin Mining (China) over AVZ Minerals.
Allegedly facilitated illegal acquisition of exploration permits and pressured the Mines Minister to issue exploitation permits to Chinese entities.
Her financial ties to Chinese interests pose risks of obstruction and manipulation in negotiations.
Célestin Kibeya

Director General of Cominière SA, involved in the illegal sale of Cominière’s stake in Dathcom Mining to Zijin, violating AVZ Minerals’ preemption rights.
Arrested in 2022 for corruption, undermining his credibility.
Strategic Questions for the U.S.
The lithium deposits in Manono and other assets are critical for U.S. supply chains. Resolving disputes between AVZ Minerals and Cominière over exploration permits is essential for advancing the agreement and attracting investments.

Risks of Status Quo

Disclosure of sensitive information to Chinese competitors.
Strategic obstruction of agreements with Western actors.
Damage to U.S. credibility if individuals suspected of corruption remain involved.
Operational Recommendations

Official Request for Replacement

The U.S. should recommend replacing individuals suspected of conflicts of interest or corruption.
Neutral and Credible Representatives

The Congolese side should appoint independent representatives unaffiliated with foreign interests, especially Chinese.
Enhanced Oversight

Establish a joint ethical and strategic review mechanism to prevent undue influence.
Diplomatic Conditionality

U.S. support for the agreement should be contingent on good governance, including the return of exploration permits to Dathcom Mining.
Conclusion
The DRC is a strategic partner for the U.S. in securing essential mineral supply chains. Success depends on institutional reliability, clear commitments, and stakeholder integrity. It is counterproductive to have individuals influenced by competing interests, particularly China, leading critical negotiations.

Authored by Nathanaël Huri, Independent Business Journalist/USA-Africa.

Given the way DRC are behaving, it seems they may only have been trying to coerce China into doing something, "hey step up or we will sell everything to the US". which would explain the double peace talks and the way they are building up so many road blocks with the US, seems they want to sabotage their own minerals for security deal before it even gets up.... they clearly just want to keep the party going and care nothing for the people. Similar to western leaders I suppose.
 
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BRICK

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cruiser51

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Kibeya on that anti corruption committee makes me feel like we're living in some demented alternate reality.
Seems like our problems within the DRC government run pretty deep.
How that prick isn't in Jail or sacked at the very least is incomprehensible.
And this all happens after the supposed leaked US document which I've posted before but amidst the chaos we've just endured so some may have missed it:

View attachment 87164

Here's a summary of the attached document generated by the AI assistant in acrobat reader:

Translate:
The document discusses identified conflicts of interest within the Congolese negotiation team during confidential talks between the United States and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) regarding an agreement on essential minerals. Key points include:

General Context
On April 3, 2025, in Kinshasa, Massad Boulos, senior advisor for Africa at the U.S. State Department and special envoy of President Trump, met with Félix-Antoine Tshisekedi, President of the DRC. Both parties expressed a mutual desire to strengthen economic relations. Boulos announced that a preliminary agreement had been reached on a strategic framework between the two countries, prioritizing diplomatic and industrial collaboration.

Identified Conflicts of Interest
Three individuals within the Congolese negotiation team raise serious concerns:

Patrick Mpoyi Luabeya

Special envoy of President Tshisekedi, advisor, and director of Sino-Congolaise des Mines (Sicomines SA), largely owned by Chinese companies.
Holds indirect interests in Chinese mining projects and has been involved in negotiations with Dan Gertler, under U.S. sanctions.
Major risk: structural conflict of interest with Chinese strategic interests and potential disclosure of sensitive information to Beijing.
Lisette Kabanga Tshibwabwa

Chairwoman of Cominière SA, linked to a controversial transaction favoring Zijin Mining (China) over AVZ Minerals.
Allegedly facilitated illegal acquisition of exploration permits and pressured the Mines Minister to issue exploitation permits to Chinese entities.
Her financial ties to Chinese interests pose risks of obstruction and manipulation in negotiations.
Célestin Kibeya

Director General of Cominière SA, involved in the illegal sale of Cominière’s stake in Dathcom Mining to Zijin, violating AVZ Minerals’ preemption rights.
Arrested in 2022 for corruption, undermining his credibility.
Strategic Questions for the U.S.
The lithium deposits in Manono and other assets are critical for U.S. supply chains. Resolving disputes between AVZ Minerals and Cominière over exploration permits is essential for advancing the agreement and attracting investments.

Risks of Status Quo

Disclosure of sensitive information to Chinese competitors.
Strategic obstruction of agreements with Western actors.
Damage to U.S. credibility if individuals suspected of corruption remain involved.
Operational Recommendations

Official Request for Replacement

The U.S. should recommend replacing individuals suspected of conflicts of interest or corruption.
Neutral and Credible Representatives

The Congolese side should appoint independent representatives unaffiliated with foreign interests, especially Chinese.
Enhanced Oversight

Establish a joint ethical and strategic review mechanism to prevent undue influence.
Diplomatic Conditionality

U.S. support for the agreement should be contingent on good governance, including the return of exploration permits to Dathcom Mining.
Conclusion
The DRC is a strategic partner for the U.S. in securing essential mineral supply chains. Success depends on institutional reliability, clear commitments, and stakeholder integrity. It is counterproductive to have individuals influenced by competing interests, particularly China, leading critical negotiations.

Authored by Nathanaël Huri, Independent Business Journalist/USA-Africa.
So what will be the reaction if the DRC includes the above people in their 'expert team'?

Will Donny say: 'Écoutez, écoutez mon bon ami Felix, fuck those thieving arseholes off, they make me puke!, or no fukkin security for you!'?
And will Donny follow through with a homebrew special fart to make his point?
 

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wombat74

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So what will be the reaction if the DRC includes the above people in their 'expert team'?

Will Donny say: 'Écoutez, écoutez mon bon ami Felix, fuck those thieving arseholes off, they make me puke!, or no fukkin security for you!'?
And will Donny follow through with a homebrew special fart to make his point?
I think Donny boy will say , "Dance you mother f--kers dance ."
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Anyone can give support in finding a source where to get more details about e.g. "Manono Pegmatite Mining SA"?

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Xerof

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AVZ used to hold that tenement, actually it and the other narrow one beside 13359, used to be a single tenement.

Half was relinquished when after the period of x (5 maybe) years no exploration had been done, as, in accordance with the DRC Mining Code, 50% of a tenement is relinquished under those conditions

Clearly Manono Pegamite Mining SA picked it up. Who they are, I have no idea, and don’t really care anyway

Pity the DRC don’t consistently follow their own mining code

You’ll notice from the attached that the same thing happened to the tenement on the opposite side of 13359

Somewhere back in this thread, this very topic was discussed at length.

You may be able to find the discussion unless the trolls deleted that too

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KentCStrait

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ICSID all the way. No more delays. Some say we’ll never see a cent of the $10B ICSID will award—but now the DRC is setting up a sovereign wealth fund, and that cash is going offshore. Once it hits foreign jurisdictions, it’s fair game. Enforcement just became a whole lot more realistic.
 
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Panther22

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No more delays. Full bore ICSID. Get it done for the World to see what is wrong with the DRC and it's so called leaders.
 
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BEISHA

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Rumour has it ........maybe its safe to come out and play ?
 
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wombat74

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How that prick isn't in Jail or sacked at the very least is incomprehensible.
And this all happens after the supposed leaked US document which I've posted before but amidst the chaos we've just endured so some may have missed it:

View attachment 87164

Here's a summary of the attached document generated by the AI assistant in acrobat reader:

Translate:
The document discusses identified conflicts of interest within the Congolese negotiation team during confidential talks between the United States and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) regarding an agreement on essential minerals. Key points include:

General Context
On April 3, 2025, in Kinshasa, Massad Boulos, senior advisor for Africa at the U.S. State Department and special envoy of President Trump, met with Félix-Antoine Tshisekedi, President of the DRC. Both parties expressed a mutual desire to strengthen economic relations. Boulos announced that a preliminary agreement had been reached on a strategic framework between the two countries, prioritizing diplomatic and industrial collaboration.

Identified Conflicts of Interest
Three individuals within the Congolese negotiation team raise serious concerns:

Patrick Mpoyi Luabeya

Special envoy of President Tshisekedi, advisor, and director of Sino-Congolaise des Mines (Sicomines SA), largely owned by Chinese companies.
Holds indirect interests in Chinese mining projects and has been involved in negotiations with Dan Gertler, under U.S. sanctions.
Major risk: structural conflict of interest with Chinese strategic interests and potential disclosure of sensitive information to Beijing.
Lisette Kabanga Tshibwabwa

Chairwoman of Cominière SA, linked to a controversial transaction favoring Zijin Mining (China) over AVZ Minerals.
Allegedly facilitated illegal acquisition of exploration permits and pressured the Mines Minister to issue exploitation permits to Chinese entities.
Her financial ties to Chinese interests pose risks of obstruction and manipulation in negotiations.
Célestin Kibeya

Director General of Cominière SA, involved in the illegal sale of Cominière’s stake in Dathcom Mining to Zijin, violating AVZ Minerals’ preemption rights.
Arrested in 2022 for corruption, undermining his credibility.
Strategic Questions for the U.S.
The lithium deposits in Manono and other assets are critical for U.S. supply chains. Resolving disputes between AVZ Minerals and Cominière over exploration permits is essential for advancing the agreement and attracting investments.

Risks of Status Quo

Disclosure of sensitive information to Chinese competitors.
Strategic obstruction of agreements with Western actors.
Damage to U.S. credibility if individuals suspected of corruption remain involved.
Operational Recommendations

Official Request for Replacement

The U.S. should recommend replacing individuals suspected of conflicts of interest or corruption.
Neutral and Credible Representatives

The Congolese side should appoint independent representatives unaffiliated with foreign interests, especially Chinese.
Enhanced Oversight

Establish a joint ethical and strategic review mechanism to prevent undue influence.
Diplomatic Conditionality

U.S. support for the agreement should be contingent on good governance, including the return of exploration permits to Dathcom Mining.
Conclusion
The DRC is a strategic partner for the U.S. in securing essential mineral supply chains. Success depends on institutional reliability, clear commitments, and stakeholder integrity. It is counterproductive to have individuals influenced by competing interests, particularly China, leading critical negotiations.

Authored by Nathanaël Huri, Independent Business Journalist/USA-Africa.
So Felix goes to Trump for help .He makes a proposal around security for minerals deal . Trump sends his man to the DRC . They further advance the nuts and bolts of the deal that also morphs into DRC/Rwanda peace arrangement. US/DRC agree on a timeline . China pops their head up . A few criminal DRC Ministers decide to voice objections to a DRC/US collaboration . Felix tells Trump I'm very sorry but I've changed my mind . Trump says to Felix , no worries Fatso the USA loves a f--k over by the Chinese and a Third World shit hole that relies on Charity from the West for it's very existence. Thanks for the invite all the same and for providing your Chinese masters control of the world's strategic mineral supply for the next hundred years .Oh and by the way. That little railway line ? Yeh we going to fast track it for you so you can get your beautiful minerals to port asap. Thanks for the invite all the same We'll catch you on the flip side . If you are in Washington around Christmas please pop into the White House for drinks . xxxxxooooo
 
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USA are the most powerful nation on earth, so they call the shots (up to a point). The US have ruled out troops but specifically mentioned training and stationing specialists in DRC. The surveillance and battlefield intelligence the US can provide (not to mention the weapons and equipment) could easily shift the balance of power. If one side is being very cooperative and one side isn't, how much support will the US provide to that side so they can operate from a much higher position of strength?

If peace cannot be achieved through diplomacy, it can be achieved through the sword.
Additional to that assistance I recall the US indicating their intention to also create two military air bases in the DRC...for US mine security, of course. ;)
 
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pow4ade

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Spot of bother for Constant Mutamba:

Newspapers in the Democratic Republic of Congo, including the Congolese News Agency, are repeating a statement from the Prosecutor General on Monday, which ordered that the country's Minister of Justice be banned from leaving the capital Kinshasa while he is expected to face trial.

https://www.bbc.com/gahuza/articles/c9wgw9xq27no
 
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pow4ade

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Presenter here claiming that in last week Kabila has disappeared from Goma, likely sought asylum elsewhere after visit from US officials arriving via chopper.

Also Kagame appears to be dogging the peace signing by chucking a sickie, also hasn't been seen lol. So US now decreed that peace agreement to be signed by respective foreign ministers to ensue the deal closes by July.

Fun and games, will make a great movie one day:

(from 7:30)
https://www.youtube.com/live/FiC0D_tGQqg?si=QdZWaGPv31pI17DD
 
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If we are truly back to regular transmission here, surely the easiest way to keep trolls away would be to switch off the ability for any new signups to the forum
 
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RHyNO

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If we are truly back to regular transmission here, surely the easiest way to keep trolls away would be to switch off the ability for any new signups to the forum
I would now emerge from the shadows. Doing a slow clap…..so you’re saying you want to eliminate the trolls. Well sir you have the solution.
 
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