AVZ Discussion 2022

hedrox

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I was a CDV holder and the last few months of that story was unreal to watch. I hope that something similar is replicated given interest in multiple parties already and hopefully someone out of the blue (e.g. Saudi's, or will BHP dip their toe to counter RIO's big push into lithium?).
Yep...I remember u @dollar bills from the old HC days on the CDV thread...what a journey it was.
I expect even more fireworks here in the AVZ camp...Manono is a different kind of a beast in relation to size, profitability and geopolitical reasons. I really can't see any buyout under 2 US finalising
 
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LOCKY82

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We are probably the slackest members of the forum but really expected we wouldn’t need to do this for another 5 years
I thought I had at least a few more years to wait! Hopefully I'm wrong 🙏
 
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LOCKY82

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If you accidentally threw out the atomic document that had your change of HIN to SRN for AVZ, do what I did and ring them up and get them to issue the documents again, they won’t give it too you over the phone has to be paper mail.
Cheers mate sorted now, bank acc added, ready and waiting 😅
 
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Winenut

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Still in the process as well.

I just contacted automic to get the new Srn sent out
HINS start with "X", SRN's start with "I"
 
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Winenut

Go AVZ!
Hmm, I'd love to believe that, but my understanding is that it's to pay for their recent acquisition of Arcadium Lithium.

But you never know...
You are correct

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Winenut

Go AVZ!


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Shithouse "secret".....:ROFLMAO::cool:
 
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"2023: Congo suddenly revokes AVZ's mining rights, and the country's central bank's foreign exchange reserves surge by $3.7 billion during the same period"

What is this implying? Some secret deal, up until now, that we've been unaware of?

Who paid this $3.7 billion?

What exactly was it for?

Was it related to Manono?
 
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Mute22

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"2023: Congo suddenly revokes AVZ's mining rights, and the country's central bank's foreign exchange reserves surge by $3.7 billion during the same period"

What is this implying? Some secret deal, up until now, that we've been unaware of?

Who paid this $3.7 billion?

What exactly was it for?

Was it related to Manono?
So many games being played it's hard to keep up.
 
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5 questions to understand the increased interest in Congolese lithium despite falling prices​

5 questions to understand the increased interest in Congolese lithium despite falling prices


(Ecofin Agency) - In talks with Kinshasa for a potential entry into the Manono project, Rio Tinto joins the list of companies interested in Congolese lithium. If the information, reported late last week by Bloomberg, is confirmed, it would be a strong signal, counter to the current market trend, revealing a strategic shift in the global competition for critical metals.
Why the interest now, when prices are falling?


Since 2023, the global lithium market has seen a significant price decline. For example, the price of lithium carbonate fell from a record high of $81,360 per tonne in November 2022 to $20,782 per tonne in February 2024, then fell to less than $11,000 last September and less than $10,000 in March 2025. This decline is believed to be due to oversupply, while demand is growing at a more moderate pace. According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), global lithium production reached 194,000 tonnes in 2023, an increase of 81% compared to 2021. However, demand increased by only 63% over the same period, reaching 165,000 tonnes, a slowdown that analysts explain by several factors including a buildup of inventories and less dynamic growth than expected in sales of electric vehicles.
This market context has already slowed several projects in Africa, such as Atex in Ivory Coast or Ewoyaa in Ghana, according to our previous publications. Yet, despite this, several major companies are making progress on the continent. In Namibia, Chile's SQM, the world's second-largest lithium producer, confirmed in March 2025 a gradual investment of up to $40 million. Rio Tinto could follow this same logic if its interest in the Manono project in the DRC is confirmed. While the timing may seem surprising, it could actually be part of a long-term strategy that would consist of securing major assets for the energy transition now, anticipating a rebound in demand around 2030.

Congolese lithium: why is it generating so much interest despite the potential risks?
The Manono project (located in a lithium-rich region) is among the world's largest untapped deposits, with approximately 400 million tonnes of resources (grading 1.65% lithium), according to estimates by Australia's AVZ Minerals, which has been in dispute for several months with the DRC and the state-owned company Cominière over the southern portion of the permit. The northern portion of the project is currently managed by China's Zijin Mining. In January, Zijin confirmed its intention to begin production as early as 2026, which would make the DRC Africa's third-largest lithium producer, after Zimbabwe and Mali, which recently commissioned two mines (Goulamina and Bougouni), as we reported in February.
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According to several concordant sources, it is the southern part that is attracting other players, including the American company KoBold Metals, backed by Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, which proposed in January a shareholding arrangement favoring the Congolese state (and allowing it to settle the dispute with AVZ) in order to develop the deposit. Discussions between the Congolese state and Rio Tinto are reportedly focusing on this same deposit. This degree of competition, despite the uncertain climate due to the dispute, could reflect a desire on the part of these companies to position themselves before the cards are reshuffled.

What geostrategic role does the DRC play in the lithium market?
Interest in Manono goes beyond purely industrial logic, as the DRC is far from being the country with the highest lithium reserves , with the ranking dominated by Chile, Australia, Argentina, and China. It is part of a broader geopolitical dynamic: the desire of Western countries to reduce their dependence on China, which controls more than 60% of global lithium refining, according to data from the Dubai Multi Commodities Centre (DMCC). The DRC, already the world's leading cobalt producer, now appears to be a strategic location for balancing supply chains. In addition to the presence of China's Zijin Mining on the northern part of the project, KoBold Metals' ambitions come in the context of announced discussions between Kinshasa and Washington on a potential mineral agreement in exchange for security support, as revealed in an article by Ecofin earlier this month. The potential arrival of Rio Tinto in the southern part, in this already tense landscape, could constitute a new discreet front between rival powers on critical metals.

What is Rio Tinto really looking for in the DRC?
Rio Tinto is pursuing a global strategy of integration into the lithium value chain. After acquiring Arcadium Lithium for $6.7 billion in 2024, the group has consolidated its presence in Argentina and Serbia, and signed a partnership with Rwanda to exploit strategic minerals, including lithium. The interest in Manono is therefore consistent with its logic of expanding into high-potential assets, even in complex jurisdictions.
Africa is emerging as a new frontier between relatively low entry costs, abundant resources, and a growing political will to develop critical metals. For Rio Tinto, which is already known on the continent for its presence in other minerals such as iron ore in Guinea, the timing is strategic. Entering Manono today would secure a world-class asset before it becomes more contested—an anticipation that few players have the means or the will to take on in the current cycle trough.
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What should the DRC do in the face of this growing interest?

For Kinshasa, the interest of Rio Tinto, KoBold, Zijin, and AVZ represents a rare opportunity. But for it to become a strategic lever, the ambiguity must be resolved. The dispute between Cominière and AVZ, which has already led to a $42.4 million fine against the state by the International Chamber of Commerce, is weighing on the country's credibility. The DRC must clarify rights, secure investors, and structure a vision for the value chain.
Other countries are moving forward. Mali, thanks to Goulamina and Bougouni, is on the verge of becoming a leader in West Africa. Zimbabwe is already investing in local processing.
The DRC has the assets to follow this path. According to UK Aid and BloombergNEF, the country has a comparative advantage in refining costs. However, it must focus on a coherent industrial strategy, not on ad hoc arrangements or endless legal arbitrations.
By 2050, global demand for lithium could increase 75-fold, according to the DMCC. Africa could supply 12% by 2033, according to Benchmark, compared to 4% in 2023. The DRC can claim a major share of this market. But between the promise of the subsoil and the benefits of the value chain, the crucial step of governance remains to be taken.

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So we all should be aiming for $50 / share.
Any buyout under USD $10 billion is a joke.

That’s USD $2.76 per share, or AUD $4.14 at today’s rates. And that’s conservative, assuming Manono is in production — which it would’ve been already if not for the disgraceful interference we’ve been subjected to.

And on top of that the DRC government must forfeit any claim to tax receipts from the buyout. That’s not a request — it’s compensation for years of obstruction, deceit, and the destruction of shareholder value.

They don’t get to profit after everything these corrupt bastards have pulled.
 
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Roche Dure ist not the single world's largest hard rock lithium deposit.
Roche Dure is not located in the North Kivu Province ...

What an intro ... LoL
 
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how does this ding dong get his numbers! The only number in here with absolutely no supporting evidence. Who is putting these details to the media? The lazy pricks who want to pay us SQUAT for our Li. Dream on rio. All time highs at least!!
Unsavoury language warning.
 
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Spikerama

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Totally get that Spike but surely the T20's would also prefer 2-3-4-5 times what's been bandied about

Wouldn't you if you were a T20?

Of course mate. Absolutely! And I would be the first to buy you the most revered bottle of wine on the planet if I was a T20 and it worked out like that. But I ain't and I reckon they're probably just as fed up as we are by now and would rather unlock whatever they can get within reason by now so they can go and put that money to good use.

Point being, it wont be up to us or how we vote. It will be up to the T20 and what they collectively decide and their appetite for a smooth and easy exit. Kind of like one of those perfect gliding bowel movements that had been causing you pain before you could even go.
 
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Thing is mate, your vote and mine will not have very much sway. The T20 own more than half the register, so it will come down to those who have hundreds of millions of shares and what they want in the end.

If I had that many shares, some of these lowball figures wouldn't sound too bad.
It’s hard to see the Chinese interests voting for the gringos taking the south if CATH gets sidelined which is roughly 30% of the active registry even if the deal involves Zijin 'retaining' the north. Shareholders hold great power of the swing section in the middle vote as evidenced by the frantic ring around by management securing support before the 2023 AGM MMGA coup attempt. So I think collectively we will have a substantial say if it is put to us. Will be very interesting to see what management consider best value.
 
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It’s hard to see the Chinese interests voting for the gringos taking the south if CATH gets sidelined which is roughly 30% of the active registry even if the deal involves Zijin 'retaining' the north. Shareholders hold great power of the swing section in the middle vote as evidenced by the frantic ring around by management securing support before the 2023 AGM MMGA coup attempt. So I think collectively we will have a substantial say if it is put to us. Will be very interesting to see what management consider best value.
I've asked the following question twice with no response. What would the Chinese holders do in a vote? Could they sabotage it or possibly assist us if gringos low ball enabling a situation that sees CATH ride in? What sway do these T20 Chinese holders have over the board?

I think it should be fleshed out a bit and better understood. I get that money is money and you'd think most would vote for the highest bid but it's a tad more difficult to understand when you have political influence operating in the background by good old Xi.
 
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WOW just had a chance to read this. Wildest article I'll read for the week hands down. Kudos to you some random chinese author. It does seem to have a sense of "backing in AVZ" which was nice I guess?

Loved the bits about secret back room deals by Rio and Kobold to steal Manono from AVZ, KoBold undertaking some sort of colonization of the region, USA supplying DRC with F-35 'parts' for its 'defence for minerals' scheme, and the 12 groups of militia supplied by the US just appearing from thin air 50km from Manono....

Best part of all is definitely laying blame on the regions instability on 30%+ increases in International lithium prices! The funniest shit I've read all day. Don't worry about the ingrained corruption, brown paper bags, at all... no it's lithium prices that's the bane of the DRC.
 
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