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Primera: a sulphurous contract for a dangerous monopoly (Alfred Maisha)

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The elected representative of the electoral district of Bukavu in South Kivu, Alfred Maisha quotes the ministers Adèle Kayinda of the Portfolio, Antoinette N'Samba of Mines and Nicolas Kazadi of Finance, in the sulphurous file of Primeira.

The three ministers granted this firm under Emirati law exorbitant advantages for the exploitation of gold, cassiterite and cobalt in the provinces of North and South Kivu as well as Maniema.

It is a huge loss for the Republic, warns the elected representative of South Kivu.

The mail service of the office of the National Assembly received on Wednesday August 23, 2023 a file concerning a parliamentary control initiative by national deputy Alfred Maisha.

This is a written question addressed to three members of the Sama Lukonde government.

The Ministers Adèle Kayinda, Antoinette N'Samba and Nicolas Kazadi, respectively Minister of State in charge of the Portfolio, Minister of Mines and Minister of Finance, are concerned by this parliamentary exercise.

“Congolese companies and Congolese processing entities pay 12% of the value of each shipment of minerals for export.

Where Congolese companies pay 12%, Primera will only pay 3.5%. We have calculated only for coltan, the Congolese treasury pays 80% of its income during a month.

To see the flow, we will lose $500 million every month for the three provinces and for 25 years,” said MP Maisha.

Damning revelations that establish the existence of a real organized mafia in the sector.


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On leaving the office of the National Assembly, the elected UNC indicated that “the company Primera only brings 20 thousand dollars ($ 20,000) in royalties to the Congolese government.

And in the $20,000, the DRC pays $9,000 and the Emirati company brings only $11,000 to make a whole.

Surprising as it may seem, for the $11,000, the three members of the government grant a 25-year monopoly for gold, coltan, cassiterite, cobalt… in short, the three Ts for 25 years for the northern provinces -Kivu, South Kivu and Maniema.

It is unacceptable.

In terms of obligation, the DRC undertakes to force the Sakima company, which owns all these deposits, to sign an agreement with the Primera company for 25 years, for only $11,000.

Primera becomes the only company able to market Congolese gold, coltan, cobalt, cassiterite for 25 years,” MP Maisha complains.

And it's not over.

Primera is granted a privileged tax regime, several unprecedented exemptions, and where it has to pay a lot of money, and this at the cost of scandalous reductions, he laments.

For Coltan alone, Congolese companies pay, as treatment, 12% of the value of each commodity less than the cargo of minerals for export.

Details that send shivers down your spine.

Kayinda, Nsamba and Nicolas Kazadi have renounced the privilege of DRC sovereignty

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According to the member Sacred Union, the three members of the government mentioned above have renounced the privilege of the sovereignty of the Democratic Republic of Congo.

"I'm not making it up. The contract is there, I have it”, he certifies in front of the press to put the nation on alert in relation to this enormous shortfall.

Because, he underlines, the three members of the government put the DRC on an equal footing with a private company by saying that with regard to litigation or the execution of arbitration or judicial decisions arising from this convention, "the DRC will not mention its right to sovereignty or the immunities attached thereto”.

This amounts to saying that in execution of a judgment produced by Primera, the DRC runs the risk of losing significant assets: "we may end up with the People's Palace seized, the accounts of the Public Treasury seized, the Palace of the Nation seized, buildings and symbols of sovereignty not protected.

We say it's not normal, ”insists master Maisha.


The initiator of the parliamentary control addressed to the three members of the government disapproves of this joint venture agreement between the Congolese State and the company Primera.

At the end of this agreement, it is indicated that the Primera company and the Democratic Republic of Congo have together created two Primera RDC companies.

One is Primera Gold for the gold, and the other is Primera Metals for the 3Ts.

Advantages against the Congolese State

The NGO Le Congo N’est Pas à Vendre (CNPAV) claims that the contract provides very generous tax breaks.

For the next 25 years, Primera Gold will only pay a single rate of 0.25% (a benefit “not granted to any other entity”, according to the terms of the contract).

This represents 10 times less than the taxes that apply to other artisanal gold exporting companies.

Concretely, if Primera Gold achieves a turnover of one billion US dollars, the Congolese State will only receive 2.5 million in taxes.

Worse, Primera Gold exports raw gold for refining in the United Arab Emirates.

However, the Mining Code only authorizes refining abroad when this is not possible locally.

However, a refinery has been built in Bukavu.

“All of these benefits were granted while the beneficial ownership of Primera Gold and Primera Metals remains opaque.

Indeed, until now, the government has not yet disclosed the complete list of shareholders and their real beneficiaries”, deplores the CNPAV which urgently demands the publication of this list.

An organized mafia


Each Primera company brings only 20 thousand dollars and in the 20 thousand dollars, the DRC brings only $9,000 and the Primera company $11,000.

But because of the $11,000 dollars, the three members of the government concede a monopoly of exploitation for 25 years for gold, coltan, cassiterite, cobalt, in short, three Ts for the provinces of North Kivu, South- Kivu and Maniema.

“In terms of obligations, the Democratic Republic of Congo commits the owners of all these deposits to sign an agreement with Primera for 25 years.

Because of only $11,000, Primera is retained as the only company to be able to market Congolese gold, coltan, cobalt, cassiterite, for 25 years”, laments MP Maisha.

And it's not over.

"We grant the same company a privileged tax regime, several unprecedented exemptions", underlines Maisha.

And where she (Primera) has to pay is at the outrageous discount rate, just for the Coltan.

“So we said it was inadmissible.

We put the question to the members of the government concerned because, as you know, the conventional regime has been repealed by the new mining code.

Today, we are under the legal regime and all companies are treated in the same way”, justified the elected representative of South Kivu.

Maisha easily recalls that the President of the Republic says, and with good reason, that he wants to create Congolese millionaires.

“It is not by granting illegal exemptions to a foreign company that we are going to create Congolese millionaires,” he warns.

Finally, what seems even more serious in this case is in terms of the settlement of disputes.

The three members of the government have renounced the privilege of the sovereignty of the Democratic Republic of Congo and thus put the DRC on an equal footing with a private company.

Thus, for litigation or the execution of arbitral or judicial decisions arising from this convention, the DRC will not invoke its right to sovereignty or the immunities attached thereto.

In addition, the Sakima company, which the three members of the government are enjoining to sign joint venture contracts with the Primera company, is in trouble.

"This company has already signed contracts of the same nature with companies under Congolese law, which are not prepared to give up their rights", explains the national deputy.

These are the companies Amir SARL, CDMC SARL, STONE Mining Company.

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Damn that looks bad, Felix losing control
 
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tonster66

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You can see why Felix appointed Lisette and ckk, they need to suffer for their sins and they will
 
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Charbella

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Can Zijin delay a third time? Tha

Damn that looks bad, Felix losing control
Is Kiki getting a private line with Celestine? He seems to be pushing for us to negotiate with Cominiere in the last few days.
 
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tonster66

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Is Kiki getting a private line with Celestine? He seems to be pushing for us to negotiate with Cominiere in the last few days.
I dont know what there is to negotiate. Gives us the 15% and the Mining License, simples
 
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Charbella

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I dont know what there is to negotiate. Gives us the 15% and the Mining License, simples
Relieve one's embarrassment.
 
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They can't get rid of us Roon IMO - they've teamed up with Chinese entities to buy us out is my guess

Otherwise we will go to ICC and ICSID which we know has piqued Felix' and Antoinette's attention.

Also reckon that Zijin have told Kibeya that they’ve exhausted all their delaying tactics and ICC has enforced the next court date, Hence Kibeya trying to get AVZ to come to the table.
FT Issue the mining licence to Dathcom on all the 13559.
Signed Sealed and Ceromony then talk about no ICC so that the 10mtpa plant can commence.Comminiere 25% with Zijin completely out and 10%
of Comminiere ceded to the government to meet ML requirement .
 
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For the engineer, Céléstin Kibeya General Manager of COMINIERE, "negotiations are reportedly underway with the Australian group of AVZ MINERALS", which is the majority shareholder in DATHCOM SA. But wanting to integrate COMINIERE SA alone in the new partnerships on Manono lithium, Céléstin Kibeya places a condition on Australians," that of the withdrawal of the complaint in arbitration in Paris with the CCI by AVZ MINERALS. “

No fucking way!!!!! Not until something is signed sealed and delivered. ( first part seems somewhat positive though of a resolution for us )



Engineer that always makes me laugh

yeah fucking trolley engineer.
 
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You can see why Felix appointed Lisette and ckk, they need to suffer for their sins and they will
I agreed with this until I found out Lisette is basically a family friend of PR05.
She won't be hung out to dry.
 
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Azzler

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If you read that article where Kibeye is claiming all his dreams for Manono, you'll find at the end of it somewhere he mentions that if only AVZ would allow him.
It's all just bullshit.

But someone was compelled to post this dated article, instilling fear in shareholders.
 
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TDITD

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Relieve one's embarrassment.
That's non-negotiable at this stage 😂

Hey Kibeya
Snl GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
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TDITD

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Dummy spit central here lately! But that's ok.
Perhaps consider heading on back to HC? No? That chaos not for you?
So then what is this place for?

Who are you dummy spitting at exactly? I saw very recently someone warned against coming here for additional information... really? Who told you we had any information here? We're just shareholders talking about what we think is happening. No one promised you jack shit.

Certain identities I see absolutely frolicing and relishing the downturn, I can see them chuckling and jerking off behind their screens at the fear and panic shown lately.
It's ok to be fearful, we have lots on the line to lose, and there's been no solid news for an eternity.
I would ask you all to look carefully at those who are exacerbating the fear and hate and trying to get it rolling into something bigger.

So perhaps ask what is the game of AVZ's opponents?
To sow discord for the AVZ BOD is an obvious point, we see obvious (trolls) and not so obvious (DG) characters working on that.
But for what purpose?
A terrible BOD can't hope to take this to production... so what else is there?

If they cant steal the deposit, they want to buy it.

Who's promoting a TO? Who wants this "Off the ASX?" (Who's actually said this?)
Who is super negative, until the prospect of a TO is proposed? Then suddenly they seem to fall in line?
Even though going mining would allow holders to sell out upon relisting, there seems to be no reason why a holder would get excited about a TO over a relisting... right?

Ok lads it's Friday night conspiracy channel, I hope you all have a good time ! :)
Did I hear $15
$18 for Zijin

#FuckZijin
#FuckKibeya
#FuckPineappleOnPizzas
 
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Charbella

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Only this paragraph is worth paying attention to.

In reality, the facts show that, if COMINIERE Se ignored the ongoing arbitration at the ICC, this decision would only have the effect of maintaining the status quo in the Manono lithium project, something that the DR Congo should at all costs avoided price seeing the new discoveries of lithium deposits in the world and the new techniques in the manufacture of batteries without the intervention of lithium.
According to Céléstin Kibeya, COMINIERE would be aware of the problems and damage to its interests following a circumvention or ignored the arbitration of Paris.
 
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tonster66

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I agreed with this until I found out Lisette is basically a family friend of PR05.
She won't be hung out to dry.
Yes you are right. Looks like ckk is going to take the fall🤣🤣🤣
 
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Also reckon that Zijin have told Kibeya that they’ve exhausted all their delaying tactics and ICC has enforced the next court date, Hence Kibeya trying to get AVZ to come to the table.
Makes sense. Your all over it Dom. Maybe the bus with Kibeya's name on it has left the station.
 
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TDITD

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Makes sense. Your all over it Dom. Maybe the bus with Kibeya's name on it has left the station.
Next stop, over the cliff
 
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Azzler

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It's rally time gentlemen.
 
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Chase

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Special K has no authority to cancel the JV - any dispute needs to be taken to the ICC first.

With the weight of the IGF and their findings and what AVZ has accumulated over time (contracts and the like). Comm does not have a leg to stand on in my opinion. Where's the money that was apparently paid for the 15% by Sin Bin?

The last thing the DRC wants are rulings against it, its ministers and quasi government enterprises.

The IGF was more than likely established so that the DRC can work towards coming off the Grey List (US Treasury).

Special K can run around and sign all the contracts he wants - my thoughts are they are not likely valid.

With the speculation of TO's I would also note its the life of the mine, future anticipated shortages of lithium and quality of the product is where the true value sits.

AVZ taking action within the ICC & ICSID are very strategic moves - the DRC does not want a ruling against it by the ICSID especially with World Bank affiliation.

Just a thought bubble.

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Samus

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I guess the question is do management have the fortitude to endure more of this if and when the licence is said and done?
Same with holders really...

This will be relative to what we end up with as opposed to what by right we should legally own and what sort of conditions are imposed on us.

If we end up cheated it doesn't instill a lot of confidence moving forward.
The mess that's been created by the DRC administration is bad enough already.
If they can simply change their mind and break their own laws instead of adhering to their own mining code TO would be preferable imo.

Followed by suing everyone of course.
 
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Engineer that always makes me laugh

yeah snack trolley engineer.
Fixed
 
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