AVZ Discussion 2022
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*What do you do when working with something from China doesn't work
Or, More importantly, What does the DRC do with this damning report
I think we all know what the Chinese will say
Chinese contract: what are the conclusions of the IGF?
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Sino-Congolese contract: Freddy Mulumba insists that "the USA is a reliable partner than China" which must end the wars of looting of minerals and the genocide of the Congolese
After more than 40 years of the cold war between the Soviet Union and the United States of America, the Democratic Republic of Congo is at the center of a new cold war between China and the United States.
Two economic-political models are in competition (Alain Cota, L’hypercapitalisme mondial, Odile-Jacob, Paris, 2018).
On the one hand, democratic centralism (CCP statutes of October 22, 2022) with state capitalism under the control of the Chinese Communist Party called "socialist market economy" and, on the other hand, the United States of America liberal capitalism with an economy controlled by corporations referred to as "market economy". (Paul Jorion, Capitalism in agony, Fayard, Paris 2011).
By adhering to both the Chinese "One Belt and One Road" Initiative and the coalition for democracy initiated by the United States of America, the DRC finds itself in a delicate situation because the Chinese communist regime is considered non-liberal by the United States considering itself a democracy.
Faced with this situation, what will be the position of the DRC regarding the choice between these two economic models?
A Brief History of Western Capitalism in the DRC
Capitalism in the Congo has its origins in the acts of the Berlin Conference of 1884-1885 where freedom of trade was guaranteed throughout the country. On July 1, 1885, Belgian King Leopold II proclaimed himself President of the Independent State of Congo on July 1, 1885.
(Jean Stengers, Congo, Myths and realities, 100 years of history, Document-Duculot, Brussels, 1989).
A fine diplomat, King Leopold II presented the International African Association as a defender of freedom of trade and a humanitarian work to fight against slavery.
This is how the Congo was recognized by the United States of America, the first western country in 1884, as a sovereign state and a friendly government. (Kabasu Babu Katulondi, The Making of the Congo State in the U.S, The U.S.-Congo Project Foundation, Usa, 2012)
However, instead of freedom of trade and the fight against slavery, the Belgian King Leopold II instituted a commercial monopoly and restored slavery on the territory of the new state. In this period, the monopoly coincided with a strong worldwide demand for rubber for use in the automobile industry.
To produce more and satisfy this strong demand, the Congo Free State instituted forced labor, thus causing massacres, mutilations by the hands of the Congolese populations and the imposition of taxes.
(Arthur Conan Doyle, The Crime of Congo, Hutchinson and Co, London, 1909).
Result: 10 million Congolese massacred by agents of the Congo Free State.
This tragedy sparked a campaign in England and the USA by journalists, writers, academics and Protestant churches that convinced US President Theodore Roosevelt of the USA to withdraw his country's support for the Congo Free State despite the support of powerful lobbies and the American media on the payroll of King Leopold II.
(Adam Hochschild, King Leopold's Ghost, A Story of Greed, Terror And Heroism in Colonial Africa, Houghton Mifflin Company, New York, 1998)
After helping to put an end to this dark period in the history of capitalism in the Congo, the United States and Europe have exploited the wealth of the Congo as they please.
It is thanks to the uranium from the Congo supplied by Belgium that the USA for the manufacture of the atomic bomb that the Americans emerged victorious from the Second World War by dropping two bombs on two Japanese: Nagasaki and Hiroshima making them a global superpower.
After the Second World War and decolonization, the Congo remained in the fold of Western capitalism in the context of the Cold War where Western multinationals and the former colonial power, Belgium, played the role of commissionaires and the USA.
Decolonization, writes Crawford Young, did not consist so much in a rupture of relations, but more in a redefinition which was to guarantee the metropolis its status as a privileged interlocutor and preserve its interests.
(Crawford Young, Africa's colonial heritage, in Strategies for African Development, University of California Press, 1985).
It was in the context of securing their economic interests that Belgium and the colonial societies supported the secession of the wealthy province of Katanga. But, the United States opposed the creation of the Independent State of Katanga by ending the secession of Katanga.
This state was deemed unviable in the international environment marked by the Cold War with the Soviet Union.
Concerned about the Cold War, the United States of America will entrust the "Congo dossier" to Belgium, a former colonial power, thus becoming its valid interlocutor in the development of the Congo.
It is at this level that we must partly understand the delay in economic development of the Congo and other black African countries compared to the economic miracle of certain Asian countries which have adopted the economic model of liberal capitalism.
(The East Asian Miracle, Economic Growth and Public Policy, World Bank Policy Research Report, Washington, 1993).
In Thailand, for example, “American advisers played an important role in the policy-making process, especially in the first three national economic development plans (1961-1976), supported by tai technocrats”. (Somboon Siriprachai, Industriali-zation with a weah state, Thailand’s Development in Historical Perspective, Kyoto University Press, Japan, 2012).
If in Thailand, the USA supported the technocrats, in the Congo, on the other hand, the Americans committed assassinations and coups to preserve their economic and geopolitical interests.
In this respect, the assassination of Patrice-Emery Lumumba in 1961, the coup d'etat of President Mobutu in 1965 and recently the assassination of President Laurent-Désiré Kabila in 2001 are the works of the American secret services.
Moreover, the Congo is still considered a reservoir of materials for Western and now Chinese industries.
This status justifies the predatory capitalism of Western multinationals which finance wars of looting of Congolese minerals through Rwanda and Uganda instead of promoting a liberal capitalism which was at the origin of the creation of the Congolese State.
(Peer Schouten, Roadblockpolitics, The origins of violence in central Africa, Cambridge, London, 2022).
If the Americans had advised and protected the Congolese elites at Independence in 1960 as they did in certain Asian countries, the Congo would not have become a country of immeasurable natural wealth with the poorest population in the world.
This is why Chinese state capitalism seduces the Congolese elites because the only capitalism known by the Congolese remains predatory and neoliberal capitalism.
(Georges Mpwate-Ndaume, Cooperation between Congo and capitalist countries, a dilemma for Congolese presidents 1908-2008, L’Harmattant, Paris, 2010). But the liberal capitalism that made the power of the United States of America remains a chimera in the Congo.
If you ask the Congolese population to show infrastructures built by American cooperation, it will be difficult to identify them.
On the other hand, if the same question is asked in relation to China, the Congolese will cite Boulevard Lumumba, the Martyrs Stadium, the People's Palace and the Cultural Center of Central Africa which will be inaugurated in 2023. must be added the truck road built by Japanese cooperation and the National Museum built by South Korea.
These examples are not intended to push the United States to do like China or Japan by mobilizing USD 600 billion in private and public investment by 2027 to finance global infrastructure.
The Congolese expect from the United States not only a new partnership around the training of the ruling elites in the field of state management, democracy, the rule of law, the fight against corruption and good governance, but also and above all the sanctions against their businessmen and their multinationals at the base of the wars of looting of minerals and the genocide of 10 million Congolese.
Moreover, all the expert reports on the looting of Congolese minerals indexing Rwanda, Uganda and Western multinationals are thrown into the drawers under American pressure.
Under these conditions, countering the autocracy in the DRC means taking these realities into account, contrary to the ambitions expressed by the Administrator of the American Agency for International Development (Usaid), Ambassador Samantha Power.
“Unlike the approach of autocratic governments, we demonstrate the potential benefits of our democratic system when we deliver aid in a fair, transparent, inclusive and participatory way – by strengthening local institutions, employing local workers, respecting the environment and providing benefits equitably in a society”.
(How Democracy Can Win, The Right Way to Counter Autocracy, Foreign Affairs, March/April 2023 published February 16, 2023).
In any case, it is time for the Congolese elites to take their destiny into their own hands.
Whatever the economic model adopted, whatever the good will of the Americans or the Chinese, the Congolese political leaders are solely responsible for the development of their country.
Consequently, they must abandon the “culture of picking” and the “politics of the belly” to put themselves at the service of their country and their people.
Freddy Mulumba Kabuayi wa Bondo
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Mute22
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Can anyone translate this video? No sub-titles:
www.france24.com
L'Entretien de l'intelligence économique - L'impact écologique du lithium : une niche stratégique pour la RD Congo
La guerre du lithium fait rage, car la transition écologique ne peut se passer de ce précieux métal. En République démocratique du Congo, les entreprises étrangères se déchirent pour mettre la main sur…
Mute22
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Found this on the bird for anyone wanting a translation of this Marius interview on France24:Can anyone translate this video? No sub-titles:
L'Entretien de l'intelligence économique - L'impact écologique du lithium : une niche stratégique pour la RD Congo
La guerre du lithium fait rage, car la transition écologique ne peut se passer de ce précieux métal. En République démocratique du Congo, les entreprises étrangères se déchirent pour mettre la main sur…
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Found this on the bird for anyone wanting a translation of this Marius interview on France24:
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Carlos Danger
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Marius says nothing about Felix directing the MoM to cancel the partition. If that was the case then the reasoning used in the new decrees wouldn't have been about Cominiere's hurt feelings. And Nigel wouldn't have reacted the way he did in his letter.
Carlos Danger
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Yeah that was my reading on what Marius was actually saying when he referenced Felix. Which if true is a fucking joke. Although not sure if Marius was referring to now or before the new decrees.
Either way why bother even having a mining code if it isn't followed by the government and mining licences are granted on the presidents feelings
Hemicuda
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Was that even an official announcementMeanwhile all we've had from management was the letter opposing the latest decrees.
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You would think Manono being of such importance for the DRC that Felix would be keen to have a meeting with Nigel. Instead we have to use the $1mil man to try and get our message across to him and hope he listens . How do we convince them of the way forward with AVZ if they are not interested in hearing us?
I get it mate.
It's doing everybody's heads in.
I'm hardly the most reserved here when it comes to blowing up/ off.
or giving it to Twitter posters or DRC politicians.
Thing with me is after I've had my rant, I move on all serene for a week or so then go off again.
But I'm good in between. Really good.
What I do manage to do is not let others or the general feeling at a moment in time pray on my emotions.
That's why I can continually make jokes at others' expense. Yeah, I know most of them are crap.
I'm not really angry, just giving fuck wits what I think they deserve.
Overall, I don't let the situation eat away at me
Maybe some here need to just go to the beach with their loved ones or well anything really, just leave here for a day or two.
Same with Twitter.
If previous experience is anything to go by, you will not miss much and your mental health probably will make a substantial uptick.
And yes, most of you would be missed but we'll get over it.
There's more to life than this shit.
Just saying.
No , that was a Leak . We find out all our company info through leaks . If the AFR leaks it then it sometimes becomes a company announcement . Other than that it stays as a leak and no follow up announcement .Was that even an official announcement
Remark
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Well said
Samus
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1/2 #Lithium #Manono
1 million $US , team costs @MariusMihigo (salaries, travel, etc.). 3 million $US cash (does not mean liquidity), 2 million shares, in case of obtaining the notification of the EP, which are not yet paid by @AvzMinerals
Why do @FinancialReview and @tommyr345 talk about possible corruption in #RDC with money that $AVZ never paid to #Mihigo ? 2 law firms and intelligence firms investigated for @AvzMinerals the integrity and compliance of @MariusMihigo prior to engagement.
Hemicuda
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Yup completely involved in the this piss take,,, love someone to show me different,,,
BTW
HEY NIGE WHERE ARE YOU? OR IS IT NONE OF OUR BUSINESS???
HEY JIJIN !!!!GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!
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From what we're hearing it seems the well orchestrated Social Media/Twitter campaign exposing corruption, corrupt activities, corrupt individuals, dodgy ministers and the findings of the IGF has found traction and been very effective
Everyone involved in that take a bow
Apparently there has recently been a request from the powers that be to tone down that particular campaign and focus on highlighting the benefits of the Manono project to the DRC and what AVZ can provide
I'm cool with that general idea but I want to be very specific in that we highlight everything that is good about the project while at all times inextricably linking AVZ to Manono and those good outcomes
I don't think we should highlight the benefits of Manono in general without it being specifically in conjunction with AVZ
You don't want Zijin and other rat fuckers picking up the great benefits of Manono that we highlight on social media and then attaching their filthy name to the potential positive outcomes
I also think while we are highlighting AVZ and good outcomes and linking all that with Manono we should continue a serious and hard campaign against Zijin highlighting their deplorable human rights record in the DRC (and around the world) and their rape and pillage attitude towards the people and the resources they exploit
We need it understood out there with this project AVZ is the one that can honestly and fairly deliver on Manono for the benefit of the DRC and there is absolute daylight between AVZ and anyone else in the race
Everyone involved in that take a bow
Apparently there has recently been a request from the powers that be to tone down that particular campaign and focus on highlighting the benefits of the Manono project to the DRC and what AVZ can provide
I'm cool with that general idea but I want to be very specific in that we highlight everything that is good about the project while at all times inextricably linking AVZ to Manono and those good outcomes
I don't think we should highlight the benefits of Manono in general without it being specifically in conjunction with AVZ
You don't want Zijin and other rat fuckers picking up the great benefits of Manono that we highlight on social media and then attaching their filthy name to the potential positive outcomes
I also think while we are highlighting AVZ and good outcomes and linking all that with Manono we should continue a serious and hard campaign against Zijin highlighting their deplorable human rights record in the DRC (and around the world) and their rape and pillage attitude towards the people and the resources they exploit
We need it understood out there with this project AVZ is the one that can honestly and fairly deliver on Manono for the benefit of the DRC and there is absolute daylight between AVZ and anyone else in the race
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