AVZ Discussion 2022

[TDITD]

Granted Plan A is failing but we won't need Plan B as we are currently working through Plan A - Revision Q - Subsection 47. Nige said don't worry everything's going according to this plan and progress is imminently expected pre Christmas

Fuck now I'm worried, any mention of champagne?

 

[Dijon101]

Lol

Fair enough winenut

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

Fuck now I'm worried, any mention of champagne?

He said the quarterly review of cost cutting measures means they turned the wine fridge off so the power bill doesn't affect the BoD's salaries

 

[Roon]

Very Interesting Beisha,
My thoughts (I'm being very loose with the word thoughts) are as follows :

That Plan B you so pleasantly projectile vomited through the screen and directly into my eyes and open mouth as my jaw had hit the floor, has evoked the words "Zijin get fucked"
This was my initial thought, upon reflection I can see the error of my ways and so "Zijin can go fuck themselves vigorously with a large rusty morning-star dipped lovingly in acid, the cunts"

On every single metric Zijin have failed the test, they cannot, simply cannot be trusted and more importantly allowed to have even half a percent in this project. They will lie, cheat, steal, con, bribe and god knows what else to get what they want. Not a good partner to co-own the largest hard rock mine on the planet with.

With Felix finally moving with determination and showing every part the rapid acceleration of a stoned tortoise while pulling out his finger from rectum to move on corruption within Government to sign off on changing up Lukondes special cesspit of corruption (yet we are supposed to believe he is clean ).
These new snack-searchers coming in should basically know the score.
Therefore, one would reasonably expect there to be more support for the ML being granted and less support for Mupande, i.e Mamba gone. A new MOP together with the MOM making shit happen to get the ML, I'm thinking along the lines of suspend CAMI DG like has been done before, an within that small timeframe before he is once again brought back by Lukonde we have the feted ML in our hands. A plan B should in theory only be required if Mupande can't be removed, or convinced to stop with the snacks for just this one project.

Plan B should at this stage not be required good sir!

However I will play your evil game, but I will keep that dirty dirty word Zijin out of my mouth

PLAN B

Wait for ICC while cutting spending to essentials. BOD pay-cut 50% till ML (a gesture if nothing else).



Now I'm off to brush my teeth and use some mouthwash to get the taste of vomit out of my mouth, oh look a piece of carrot.

Edit
just read this back an its not so cohesive, apologies I have the missus whinging at me to hurry up as apparently, I have to watch a movie.

And what if while waiting for ICC cases to run that FT loses the election to Kabila who decides like before to sell his soul to the Chinese, and finds a way to strip us of our licence? Delay may not be our friend...

Zijin have worked with Ivanhoe in the DRC without attempting to take over the project in its entirety. I also don't think we should be looking down this path, but as the discussion was about PLAN B if it looks like we are staring down the barrel of an election defeat with none of our issues sorted, it could be worth considering some form of compromise.

Hopefully though it doesn't come to that and we can have the problems sorted and ML issued in the coming months, and then tick off the ICC cases as we go after achieving that all important milestone

 

[Roon]

You fellas pissing and moaning about Jens and others getting things wrong... at least he's putting info out, we'd be bitching and moaning if nobody was making an effort to obtain and provide info... fickle, non appreciative bunch

Generally agree but there is a way to putting out information without continually also adding timelines that have been arrived at by adding 2+2 to make 5. He's worse than NF at providing and missing deadlines which impact on credibility and continually raises peoples' hopes unnecessarily, esepcially among those that seem to consider him some kind of Oracle.

But yes I do appreciate any contextual information being presented to the community. Just wish it were a bit more tempered perhaps. But I'll take what I can get. Keep it coming Jensy boy

 

[Stockinvesting]

You fellas pissing and moaning about Jens and others getting things wrong... at least he's putting info out, we'd be bitching and moaning if nobody was making an effort to obtain and provide info... fickle, non appreciative bunch

Exactly what info did he put out?

 

[Fletch77]

Another imminent prediction…

 

[Dazmac66]

Why is it such a doomsday prediction that FT will lose the election? He was voted in over Kabilla in the last election. I don't study it daily but there doesn't appear to be a flood against FT.

 

[whales]

Not sure if this has already been circulated. Jules absolutely feeding it to the crooks.

Best part is he mentions that IGF
has proof of written transactions and bank statements.
Only a matter of time for the removal of MOP to be removed.

 

[Dazmac66]

Best part is he mentions that IGF
has proof of written transactions and bank statements.
Only a matter of time for the removal of MOP to be removed.

Agreed, this guy is our out and out champion. I can't believe there was such subdued reaction after posting that video. Watch it with subtitles on(obviously), it is affirmation that we will succeed. If not the DRC is totally devoid of moral fibre and will forever wallow in poverty. It is now just a matter of time till our ducks come in to line.
Manono is such a carrot for Felix to use that even a total fool would not let this fail under their watch with an election looming. The only reason I see for him not acting decisively up until now is that the Chinese obviously have some sort of leverage over him so he needs to allow issues to be exposed organically and at arms length. The plan is working at glacial pace so patience is required and this video is proof that we are makeing progress. When we are flying again we will have this very brave man to thank. This week could see some major road blocks removed if the ministerial cull is actually happening. AVZ - get out of Perth and into Kinshasa right now!!

 

[Doc]

Great video! He is a passionate bloke isn’t he? Looks like the man to get shit done

 

[Deleted member 1612]

My favourite bit… ‘what magic’…

 

[TDITD]

And what if while waiting for ICC cases to run that FT loses the election to Kabila who decides like before to sell his soul to the Chinese, and finds a way to strip us of our licence? Delay may not be our friend...

Zijin have worked with Ivanhoe in the DRC without attempting to take over the project in its entirety. I also don't think we should be looking down this path, but as the discussion was about PLAN B if it looks like we are staring down the barrel of an election defeat with none of our issues sorted, it could be worth considering some form of compromise.

Hopefully though it doesn't come to that and we can have the problems sorted and ML issued in the coming months, and then tick off the ICC cases as we go after achieving that all important milestone

The problem is with this viewpoint is it’s incredibly negative with all the ‘if’s’.
Every single issue going against us is statistically silly.
Felix not getting in, ICC not vindicating us in time, recent US involvement in DRC & Zambia coming to nothing, all this progress we’ve made lately leading to no tangible results, the criminals already caught get off, the NGOs get ignored, the mining code gets ignored, IGF get ignored, MOM gets fired, nahhh.

Yeah if the sky falls in somehow then plan c,d,e,f sell the fucking thing, I personally feel talking about that when we are finally making a bit of progress seems hugely pessimistic.
I reckon the BOD if backed into a corner probably would reluctantly sell as opposed to bing stripped of the asset, we are not there not even close.

 

[TDITD]

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My favourite bit… ‘what magic’…

I love his sarcasm in this video.

 

[Stockinvesting]

It's over a month old.

 

[Deleted member 1612]

It's over a month old.

I know. Still the best thing I’ve seen to come out of the DRC which I can actually attribute value to. Some confirmation of the DRC stance relating to ownership and AVZ investment was greatly appreciated by me and I’m sure many others.

 

[whales]

The problem is with this viewpoint is it’s incredibly negative with all the ‘if’s’.
Every single issue going against us is statistically silly.
Felix not getting in, ICC not vindicating us in time, recent US involvement in DRC & Zambia coming to nothing, all this progress we’ve made lately leading to no tangible results, the criminals already caught get off, the NGOs get ignored, the mining code gets ignored, IGF get ignored, MOM gets fired, nahhh.

Yeah if the sky falls in somehow then plan c,d,e,f sell the fucking thing, I personally feel talking about that when we are finally making a bit of progress seems hugely pessimistic.
I reckon the BOD if backed into a corner probably would reluctantly sell as opposed to bing stripped of the asset, we are not there not even close.

According to IGF they have written proof of transactions and bank statement and corruption by MOF plus DG of Cami .
Plan B take CAMI and the DG of CAMI to ICC.
Expose them further and DRC will need to enforce the decision made by the ICC.

 

[John25]

Another imminent prediction…

I’ll supply the “Ice”

Shit wrong “Ice” thought i was on @JAG boat for a minute …phew thats better Sorry @JAG only joking buddy

 

[Onthefm]

According to IGF they have written proof of transactions and bank statement and corruption by MOF plus DG of Cami .
Plan B take CAMI and the DG of CAMI to ICC.
Expose them further and DRC will need to enforce the decision made by the ICC.

Mate if they don't stop spending on preworks drilling on an asset we are not sure how much we own. We won't last the other 2 icc cases let alone a third. I wish they were spending more on flights accom and entertainment in drc.imo

 

[Scoota30]

I've been in contact with my Manono Taxi Driver recently who assures me that despite what we see on social media things are moving ahead at manono very quickly.
I asked him if he could send me any photo updates and he sent me this saying the crane seems to be working well