AVZ Discussion 2022

whales

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Fucking Geo dropping hints wink wink then disappearing off the face of the earth and then coming back on here and asking what we think it's worth at auction???

Wow

I'm almost on the ignore button.....(if there is one here never reallly looked before🤷‍♂️)

For the record I'm looking at US$10Billion

Love that number

Looks great

No...no....wait

Zijin premium ...fuckers

US$12Billion

There you go Geo........more than happy with that
To Geo defence
Would rather have some hope offered than no news at all.
Or going through the courts then waiting 5 or more years for a possible payout.
Will know soon enough with AGM .
 
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CashKing

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Sorry all been full of piss and bad manners last few days but have I might have missed something but is there an auction going on or something ??? 🤷‍♂️

Or just dreaming again on how much we should be getting ??

Cheers all

GLTAH
 
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Sorry all been full of piss and bad manners last few days but have I might have missed something but is there an auction going on or something ??? 🤷‍♂️

Or just dreaming again on how much we should be getting ??

Cheers all

GLTAH
Just a vicious rumour spread by @geo_au
 
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Congo’s Gecamines offers $1 million to block Chinese deal with Chemaf

The Democratic Republic of Congo’s state miner Gecamines is offering $1 million to buy cobalt and copper assets of indebted mining firm Chemaf to prevent China from increasing its control of critical metals in the country, two sources familiar with the details told Reuters.
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Chemaf, a partner of commodities trader Trafigura, agreed to sell its copper and cobalt assets to Chinese defence and industrial giant, China North Industries Corp, or Norinco, in June.

Gecamines, which owns the lease to Chemaf’s mines, whose copper and cobalt are used in electric vehicles and clean energy infrastructure, was asked by Chemaf to approve the sale, but declined.

Gecamines later submitted an unsolicited bid for the Chemaf assets, deepening a standoff that has been complicated by US officials lobbying against China’s grip on the mineral-rich central African Copperbelt.

Chinese companies are major investors in Congo’s mining sector. :mad: :rolleyes: :sick:

CMOC Group is now the world’s biggest cobalt miner as it boosts output at Tenke Fungurume mine it bought from US-based Freeport-McMoRan just four years ago.

Gecamines offered to pay just under $1 million for the mines and processing plant, and wants to conduct an audit of Chemaf’s debts before structuring a payment plan to settle the borrowing, said the sources, who cannot be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Chemaf, whose debts have ballooned to $900 million to $1 billion, needs an additional $300 million to expand output and operate profitably, the sources said.

Norinco has offered between $900 million and $1 billion, including settling Chemaf’s debts and outstanding taxes, one of the sources said.

The Chinese miner also pledged to advance Chemaf’s plans to raise copper and cobalt output to about 75,000 metric tons and 25,000 tons, respectively, the source added.

Chemaf, which has been operating for the past 20 years, said on its website it has invested more than $610 million developing the second phase of Etoile and Mutoshi mines.

“I can confirm we made a better offer than Norinco did, subject to us conducting due diligence of the debt,” Gecamines chairman Robert Lukama told Reuters.

“And more importantly the government declined, and already informed Chemaf by letter that they will not accept the Norinco transaction and we also confirm that we will not give another chance to anyone else other than ourselves,” Lukama added.

Norinco’s move has drawn scrutiny by the US, with State Department officials lobbying Congo to block the deal, three sources told Reuters.

The US wants Congo to find an alternative to Norinco, one of the three sources said. :rolleyes:


Cash crunch deepens​


The stalled deal has worsened Chemaf’s finances and if it fails completely, the Congolese miner’s key backers, including Trafigura, may either lend more or risk a prolonged period of uncertainty recovering their investments, the sources said.

“The lenders and creditors of Chemaf have faced significant financial hardship for more than 12 months as a result of money owing to them not being paid in accordance with the terms of loans, credit provided and invoices submitted for payment,” one of the sources said.

Chemaf is only processing stockpiles from its Etoile mine as expansion work at Mutoshi mine was halted when financing dried up, the sources said. The company is struggling to pay the salaries of its 3,500 workers, its power bills and security guards manning the sites, the sources said.

Chemaf declined to comment.

Chemaf entered into a 24-month creditors’ protection agreement in August 2023 that lapses next year. While the miner could also seek interim financing, its lenders want to see the Norinco deal concluded as soon as possible, one of the sources added.

Trafigura, one of the main creditors, declined to comment.

US officials are also rallying Western companies to consider buying the Chemaf assets, the sources said.

Norinco, which was sanctioned by the US since 2021, did not immediately respond to emailed queries. In Congo, it owns the Comika and Lamikal copper and cobalt mines in partnership with Gecamines.

Ivanhoe's Kipushi zinc mine in the DRC officially reopens

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DRC President FĂ©lix Tshisekedi, alongside Ivanhoe Mines president Marna Cloete and GĂ©camines chairman Guy Robert Lukama, cuts the ribbon to mark the formal reopening of the Kipushi mine.

Democratic Republic of the Congo’s Kipushi zinc-copper-lead-germanium mine officially opened on Thursday as President Félix Tshisekedi conducted the ribbon-cutting ceremony.

The high-grade mine is a joint venture between Ivanhoe Mines and DRC state-owned miner GĂ©camines.
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Also present at the mine opening ceremony were DRC First Lady Denise Nyakeru Tshisekedi, as well as President of the Senate, three vice prime ministers, eight national ministers, and the governor of Haut-Katanga.

The announcement sent Ivanhoe’s stock 2% higher at C$19.10 by 1:45 p.m. EDT, giving the Vancouver-based miner a market capitalization of C$25.8 billion ($18.5bn).

In June, the JV partners restarted production at the Kipushi mine 31 years after it was put on care and maintenance.

The restart marks exactly a century since the mine first went into production.

“The reopening of the Kipushi mine represents not only a milestone for sustainable resource development but also a promise of economic empowerment for our local communities,” Ivanhoe Mines president Marna Cloete said in a media release Thursday.

“The Kipushi mine was the beating heart of the Kipushi town since operations first began 100 years ago … Today, its heart has been revived, and the resumption of operations is an opportunity for a new economic paradigm,” added Gécamines chairman Guy-Robert Lukama Nkunzi.


This year, the Kipushi mine is expected to deliver total production of 50,000 to 70,000 tonnes of zinc in concentrate, which represents half of what Ivanhoe initially had forecasted.

Over the next five years, Kipushi’s payable zinc production is expected to average 278,000 tonnes.

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Misfits

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Anyone care to guess how much AVZ will be offered at auction, bearing in mind there are 3.5 billion shares on offer?
Can’t happen until we have a ML in hand. At this stage, we have nothing until then.
 
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Ah yes, but we have the world's largest, and purest, supply of undeveloped nothing. Able to supply the world's ever growing demand for nothing for decades to come...
 
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JasonM

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To Geo defence
Would rather have some hope offered than no news at all.
Or going through the courts then waiting 5 or more years for a possible payout.
Will know soon enough with AGM .
I agree though I'd say he didnt need to throw in the auction speculation, his last hint weeks ago was sufficient and a simple thumbs up or something is all thats needed to say things are ticking on in case he cant share anything more.
 
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Cumquat Cap

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My way of approaching it now is best to wait until ICSID commences. These morally bankrupt entities always settle before being put to the fire. Assuming funding okay, best to step back until mid 2025, with purported interested buyers the DRC would be mad not to let us sell RD rather than a judgement with the world bank. Key is Locke plus some opex off the back of that announcement
 
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Cumquat Cap

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Also the DRC is full of absolute numpty dumbasses so maybe they go full ICSID
 
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Azzler

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My way of approaching it now is best to wait until ICSID commences. These morally bankrupt entities always settle before being put to the fire. Assuming funding okay, best to step back until mid 2025, with purported interested buyers the DRC would be mad not to let us sell RD rather than a judgement with the world bank. Key is Locke plus some opex off the back of that announcement
My sentiment too mate.

We hope funding comes through of course or else it's all over.

In my opinion only....
There's no deal anywhere near being even considered at present.
There will be zero news comming out of the AGM, and the BoD are unlikely going to answer a single question.
Geo, I wonder if you were sent in to quell a bit of shareholder frustration going into AGM. There was never any impending deal as you suggested.

We need funding secured, and it's reasonable to assume that the DRC would prefer to let us sell the project, rather than be hit with billions of dollars by the ISCID, and will settle before the case really gets going. But of course the country and government are absolute fruitloops and sensible action can't be counted on.

I also wouldn't count on something happening mid 2025, these assholes know how to delay delay delay, we STILL haven't heard about the fines from ICC, it's batshit crazy that they can constantly caused delays in that case, but it's the way the law works unfortunately.

My advice is to forget about AVZ, and just hope one day we get a settlement, and something out of this mess.

Again, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing about to happen, nothing on the cusp, nothing even remotely close to that at present.

All we're trying to do is secure funding.
 
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My sentiment too mate.

We hope funding comes through of course or else it's all over.

In my opinion only....
There's no deal anywhere near being even considered at present.
There will be zero news comming out of the AGM, and the BoD are unlikely going to answer a single question.
Geo, I wonder if you were sent in to quell a bit of shareholder frustration going into AGM. There was never any impending deal as you suggested.

We need funding secured, and it's reasonable to assume that the DRC would prefer to let us sell the project, rather than be hit with billions of dollars by the ISCID, and will settle before the case really gets going. But of course the country and government are absolute fruitloops and sensible action can't be counted on.

I also wouldn't count on something happening mid 2025, these assholes know how to delay delay delay, we STILL haven't heard about the fines from ICC, it's batshit crazy that they can constantly caused delays in that case, but it's the way the law works unfortunately.

My advice is to forget about AVZ, and just hope one day we get a settlement, and something out of this mess.

Again, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing about to happen, nothing on the cusp, nothing even remotely close to that at present.

All we're trying to do is secure funding.
100%
I would only add that the MO of our BoD has been to say nothing, which I agree with.
If, and I believe that it's a huge if, there are discussions / negotiations they are probably of an informal nature. Consequently, AVZ would be ill - advised to give any details and would probably only issue verbal generalities if pushed.
I'm talking here about CCP and DRC.

US & European are very different, but I would still not expect many details, if any, to leak.

It simply does not make strategic sense.
 
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Hemicuda

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My sentiment too mate.

We hope funding comes through of course or else it's all over.

In my opinion only....
There's no deal anywhere near being even considered at present.
There will be zero news comming out of the AGM, and the BoD are unlikely going to answer a single question.
Geo, I wonder if you were sent in to quell a bit of shareholder frustration going into AGM. There was never any impending deal as you suggested.

We need funding secured, and it's reasonable to assume that the DRC would prefer to let us sell the project, rather than be hit with billions of dollars by the ISCID, and will settle before the case really gets going. But of course the country and government are absolute fruitloops and sensible action can't be counted on.

I also wouldn't count on something happening mid 2025, these assholes know how to delay delay delay, we STILL haven't heard about the fines from ICC, it's batshit crazy that they can constantly caused delays in that case, but it's the way the law works unfortunately.

My advice is to forget about AVZ, and just hope one day we get a settlement, and something out of this mess.

Again, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing about to happen, nothing on the cusp, nothing even remotely close to that at present.

All we're trying to do is secure funding.
geo is just jerkin his squirter, nfi
 
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Jazz

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My sentiment too mate.

We hope funding comes through of course or else it's all over.

In my opinion only....
There's no deal anywhere near being even considered at present.
There will be zero news comming out of the AGM, and the BoD are unlikely going to answer a single question.
Geo, I wonder if you were sent in to quell a bit of shareholder frustration going into AGM. There was never any impending deal as you suggested.

We need funding secured, and it's reasonable to assume that the DRC would prefer to let us sell the project, rather than be hit with billions of dollars by the ISCID, and will settle before the case really gets going. But of course the country and government are absolute fruitloops and sensible action can't be counted on.

I also wouldn't count on something happening mid 2025, these assholes know how to delay delay delay, we STILL haven't heard about the fines from ICC, it's batshit crazy that they can constantly caused delays in that case, but it's the way the law works unfortunately.

My advice is to forget about AVZ, and just hope one day we get a settlement, and something out of this mess.

Again, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing about to happen, nothing on the cusp, nothing even remotely close to that at present.

All we're trying to do is secure funding.

Couldn't agree more with this Azzler.

In my opinion only....

Do not expect answers at the AGM, other than well rehearsed standard responses.
Do not expect a return on your investment anytime soon, if you are in financial difficulty you need to look at alternative solutions now, if you haven't already.
Do not expect a miraculous deal to be made when the company is on the ropes. When funding is sorted, MAYBE discussion MIGHT continue.
Do not put any faith in the vague positive comments by people on here or elsewhere. This is a very dynamic time for the company and anyone saying they have a good handle on it is lying to us and themselves. This type of talk is reckless and damaging to those struggling at the moment.
Do not expect that everyone at the AGM has our best interests at heart. Any info revealed to you is also revealed to them. Keep this in mind when preparing questions asked of the BOD.

If you want to chat to Nigel, Ben etc.. Then chat to them after the formalities.
 
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My way of approaching it now is best to wait until ICSID commences. These morally bankrupt entities always settle before being put to the fire. Assuming funding okay, best to step back until mid 2025, with purported interested buyers the DRC would be mad not to let us sell RD rather than a judgement with the world bank. Key is Locke plus some opex off the back of that announcement


Here’s a few things to consider regarding ICSID damages

The DRC is obligated under international laws and their own mining code to legally protect mining investor’s operations and their right to compensation (damages) caused by violations of its Mining Code. This includes damages due to the delay in being awarded the Mining License. Damages can be assessed by the net value of the asset, equal to the net value of future cash flows. It's worth taking into account, the following things when valuing damages relating to our project:

The value of the project in the absence of violations ie the non granting of the ML
The value of the project at the start date of the production
Increased processing capacity (4.5 Mtpa to 10 Mtpa)
Updated mineral resource (840MT of SC6)
Updated ore price forecasts (SC6, PLS, Tin)
Change in mine life
Updated BFS

Remember the Mining License wasn't granted because of the bullshit excuse (in violation of the mining code) that AVZ Minerals sought to enforce it's FROR and prevent the illegal and fraudulent sale of 15% of Cominiere's shares in Dathcom to Jin Cheng Mining.

I know a lot of shareholders are sick of waiting this out. I got my first shares in a company 1989. In 2011 I owned shares in 10 companies and by 2017 I was trading shares in 25 companies. The stock market isn't easy but sometimes you just have to let the process unfold and the main thing in my view is not devaluing AVZ just because it's in a corrupt country. Our management still have to approach the DRC in respectful way and through the courts of international arbitration
 
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If you want to chat to Nigel, Ben etc.. Then chat to them after the formalities.
If anyone here does attend and can post any relevant chat info or slide in my inbox that would be appreciated. I can't afford the time off work or to fly over to the west coast at the moment; and they obviously aren't doing anything online either.

Not expecting much, but any genuine insights outside of Geo's bullshit drop ins here would be fantastic!
 
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wombat74

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Couldn't agree more with this Azzler.

In my opinion only....

Do not expect answers at the AGM, other than well rehearsed standard responses.
Do not expect a return on your investment anytime soon, if you are in financial difficulty you need to look at alternative solutions now, if you haven't already.
Do not expect a miraculous deal to be made when the company is on the ropes. When funding is sorted, MAYBE discussion MIGHT continue.
Do not put any faith in the vague positive comments by people on here or elsewhere. This is a very dynamic time for the company and anyone saying they have a good handle on it is lying to us and themselves. This type of talk is reckless and damaging to those struggling at the moment.
Do not expect that everyone at the AGM has our best interests at heart. Any info revealed to you is also revealed to them. Keep this in mind when preparing questions asked of the BOD.

If you want to chat to Nigel, Ben etc.. Then chat to them after the formalities.
Are you saying deboss is lying ?
 
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Cumquat Cap

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Go check deboss’ last tweet, he’s now omitted the comment about feeling bullish. Very calculated guy
 
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Jazz

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Are you saying deboss is lying ?
No, and i have not seen his latest comments. I am talking in a general sense that a lot of people have been mislead and given false hope for years here, and it does nothing to help people when time after time nothing comes of it.
 
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wombat74

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Go check deboss’ last tweet, he’s now omitted the comment about feeling bullish. Very calculated guy
No mate it's still there .You can find it between the photo of the smoking hot Swedish chick with the front wedgie and the Latino with juicy lips and erect nipples . Or before the photo of hot Russian bent over a kitchen stove wearing a g string .
"The Company is on the cusp of some significant wins and breakthroughs."
 
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Frank

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Ah yes, but we have the world's largest, and purest, supply of undeveloped nothing. Able to supply the world's ever growing demand for nothing for decades to come...
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