AVZ Discussion 2022
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Not necessarily. I agree with 9Card that even if Zijin have returned the 15%, it wasn't done unwillingly. There was no doubt a deal done. However this doesn't need to be a deal on some other unrelated benefit they can get from DRC, it could still be part of some for now unseen strategy regarding Manono. I just don't see then giving up at this point. The prize is too large and the cost relatively small - legal fees and some potential reputational risk. So if this were the case, they may not cancel their ICC cases which could fit into their previous delayance strategy.
Or who knows, they could see the initial case as a way to gain understanding of the evidence against them and cominiere, to better prepare their support for Cominiere's subsequent ICC case, after which in case of a win they can then raise the issue of the 15%.
All speculation and conjecture, I just don't think that Zijin and Cominiere have given up on the Manono gambit - despite the damages claims.
The Fox
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If Zijin have returned or conceded any ownership of the 15%, PR05 could have just used a stick not a carrot. Lot's of chatter about warnings provided to Zijin prior to the visit to China.
Or of course, both a carrot AND a stick could have been used. I hope it was a big stick and a small carrot that PR05 repeatedly used on Zijin. (with no lubrication)
Or of course, both a carrot AND a stick could have been used. I hope it was a big stick and a small carrot that PR05 repeatedly used on Zijin. (with no lubrication)
Winenut
GO AVZ!!!!
Seriously these supposedly official fucked up documents with spelling errors and copy/paste birthdates are doing my fucking head in
Can't believe a fucking thing on the internet or coming out of the DRC
Jesus fucking Christ when are we going to get some official information on what the actual fuck is going on?????
Fuck me....
Can't believe a fucking thing on the internet or coming out of the DRC
Jesus fucking Christ when are we going to get some official information on what the actual fuck is going on?????
Fuck me....
cruiser51
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Zijin deserves a pineapple without lubrication, or simple the Chinese way, the bullet.If Zijin have returned or conceded any ownership of the 15%, PR05 could have just used a stick not a carrot. Lot's of chatter about warnings provided to Zijin prior to the visit to China.
Or of course, both a carrot AND a stick could have been used. I hope it was a big stick and a small carrot that PR05 repeatedly used on Zijin. (with no lubrication)
The carrot is much too nice.
They probably would say not so squeezy and squint a little more with a carrot, they are used to it.
Pricks.
cruiser51
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Gotta agree Nut, reading the bible makes more sense.
Can we fuck Zijin for a change?
On second thoughts I prefer a big Mac with a couple of shirazs, the result looks so colourful when I think about Zijin.
Unfortunately, we need to assume everything is bullshit until was have irrefutable proof otherwise.
This is not a slight on the hard work, diligence and honesty of many good people here, but we have been burned and disappointed on far too many occasions to take anything on face, particularly if it originates in the DRC.
A little paranoia is a good thing...until it's not.
Cheers
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Cumquat Cap
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Can't help but think and look back on some of Nigel's interviews over the years outlining how efficient the govt was and how good relations were even mentioning MoP directly. Nigel is in a world of shit if he cannot pull a positive outcome for shareholders. Also, both him and Greame would be wealthy in their own right but imagine if they lost the lot at the end of their careers + reputational damage - c'mon boys lets get something going
Nellie17
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This is what I've been wondering also Fox. Why does everyone assume zijn 'got' something like n return for pulling out?If Zijin have returned or conceded any ownership of the 15%, PR05 could have just used a stick not a carrot. Lot's of chatter about warnings provided to Zijin prior to the visit to China.
Or of course, both a carrot AND a stick could have been used. I hope it was a big stick and a small carrot that PR05 repeatedly used on Zijin. (with no lubrication)
They took a gamble to do something dodgy, it didn't pay off, the benefit for them pulling out is they don't get slapped with a massive fine/damages/other restrictions on their operations in the country.
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Agree. I'd extend, mining is not a vocational career. Anyone involved is in it to make big money. Atleast to that capacity I think Nigel has every incentive to get this over the finish line.
Cumquat Cap
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Agree, guess that provides some comfort that we'll at the bare minimum get a settlements of sort.
Nel, nice one man very helpful
Nel, nice one man very helpful
cruiser51
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Rare earths, cobalt, copper, lithium; the EU relies on local extraction and refining, processing, recycling of minerals imported into the EEC
June 7, 2023Kiki Kienge
By Patrick Kienge
In order to achieve its independence in the supply of critical raw materials and to guarantee a secure and sustainable supply, the European Union has as its battle horse, the “European legislation on critical raw materials”.
European legislation on critical raw materials wants to strengthen domestic supply chains, strengthen international dialogue for mutually beneficial partnerships with single supplier countries.
The European Union seeks to diversify its supplies of critical raw materials, 65% of its annual needs should not come from the same country outside the EU.
- 63% of the world's cobalt, used in batteries, is mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
- 97% of the EU's magnesium supply comes from China.
- 100% of the rare earths used for permanent magnets are refined in China.
- 98% of the EU borate supply comes from Turkey.
Belgian Euro MP, Maria Arena said;
“The objective of the European Commission's proposal for a regulation on critical raw materials (rare metals, cobalt, copper, lithium, etc.) should enable the EU to access a secure, but above all sustainable supply!
Mining in countries that have these resources is currently harmful to the environment, but also to human rights. There is an urgent need to provide mechanisms that respect the populations living in the countries that hold these resources.
Guaranteeing access to resources for the well-being of Europeans to the detriment of the populations living in these countries is a solution from another age and unworthy of the European project. »
Samus
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I'm not sure what to think about this new rccm document but what it does make clear is that dathomir is still there after 12+ months of this shitshow.
Zijin still seems like the distraction and dathomir the problem imo.
What about Mmcs?
This arbitration shit is a fucking joke. Why in fucks name does it take so long? ...
Zijin still seems like the distraction and dathomir the problem imo.
What about Mmcs?
This arbitration shit is a fucking joke. Why in fucks name does it take so long? ...
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9cardomaha
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My view on Dathomir still being there aligns with the ICC case AVZ brought against Simon CUNT and Dathomir.
Our case against them is to get ICC to enforce the sale because they have sellers remorse.
Our case against them is to get ICC to enforce the sale because they have sellers remorse.
RHyNO
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Feeling pretty sweet about this document and Klaus that slimey MF getting involved near us. Though he is a dog and this document is unproven the combined timing of the two leads me to feel much more positive about our outcome and maybe it’s the half gram blunt I just nailed but I feel a relaxed love and respect towards those here who have contributed to all of our evolving mental health through this pandemic of a cluster fuck. Really has made a huge difference having you magnificent c***s to vent with.
Samus
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Problem is, what should be an open-shut case takes so fucking long.
Still no word about the mmcs case even.
Simon CUNT, indeed!
Carlos Danger
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Correct. The only way AVZ can get around needing the ICC for the Dathomir 15% to be transferred to them is if the DRC government intervenes, someone gives Cong more money or Cong decides to comply with the contracts he signed (and intended to be bound by) to avoid being made liable for damages. One of those scenarios is far more likely than the ICC cases brought by AVZ against Dathomir running the full course imo
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David Krappenschitz
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Can we at least have the ML so we can get on with it and sort out the Dathomir shit later ?
ffffark
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Many have justifiably criticised him here.
Me included.
However, given the widely acknowledged shit show that DRC is, I think your criticism is rather unfair.
He had, and is, navigating a maelstrom of long established institutional and corporate corruption that penetrates every area of DRC governance.
It is, in this case, facilitated and encouraged by actors from, and controlled by, an autocratic state.
These people are experts who have honed their skills over decades and have essentially limitless funding.
Win or lose, whatever that may mean, the fact that we are still in the game at this stage is testament to the fact that these guys are cutting the proverbial.
PS love the silence
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