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The activist group says it is fighting for the total destruction of this EV plant.
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Semmel
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Never heard of them before and hope I never will again. Bunch of misguided idiots. Let's see how well they do from inside a prison.
cosors
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They have attacked the so called Critical Infrastructure. The probability is high.
beserk
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Thank you Cosors for your comments.I think your idea is very good. Just take the other side seriously. Why not?! But I'm afraid none of that matters. They would say no to everything.
What always gives me hope is the national interest. Once authorised, it must not be hindered in any way, not even by protests.
I really enjoy your posts and reports. I have got so into it up there that I can directly understand everything you write except that your words fill my theory with practical experience. I even know off the top of my head which hunting lodges you are talking about. It's a beautiful area there. Here are some pictures from the bridge and the surrounding area: Link
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I started with the red line or boundary Odlingsgränsen you're talking about here in the bar with the very first post. It took me ages to research it all and dig around in the history. I still haven't fully understood the exact laws. But probably very few people do. I had memorised that they didn't own the land as they always proclaim, but I read that they have the right to use it 'before the Crown', i.e. to hunt or fish or allow someone else to do so.
Do I understand correctly that you are referring to your family? I hope they are not among the original plaintiffs
In any case, there was one plaintiff among the dozens with such a lodge at the river in the main proceedings, as far as I remember.
But that's not the issue now. It's just the two Sami communities and the conservation organisation with their appeal to the Supreme Court.
For whom fungi are more important than the global climate. And the Sami, I do not believe that reindeer husbandry will be hindered. I have studied intensively the maps. I have a German interview with exactly our Sami. It's so one-sided that I think it's pure propaganda and that's why I haven't posted it here. What particularly annoys me is that the broadcaster is partly paid by our tax money.
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Reminds me of Semmel's topic today and TeslaMusk wants to expand a railway terminal to increase transport capacity by rail. Left-wing extremists and environmentalists are against this and vice versa practical in favour of more transport on the motorway with ICE trucks. They have therefore carried out an arson attack on the power line, a black out for Tesla, who are building climate-damaging EVs, and parts of Berlin. Next door, they are occupying a monoculture of pine trees to prevent Tesla from producing more EVs and using environmentally friendly rail transport.
It becomes particularly funny and absurd when you listen to voices from the population. One of them actually says:
Biologist Christiane (62) from Erkner: "The protest against Tesla is right! Tesla boss Elon Musk is a megalomaniac, he's coming here just to make money. I don't vote Green, but every tree that is felled for the Tesla plant hurts me! And who is actually going to be able to afford these expensive cars?"
As a biologist she should know that the pine monocultures in the area are a big problem. Either she wasn't good at her studies or she's just stupid or ignorant and doesn't want to see the reality; just like our antis. For one thing, these are not diverse forests and offer little habitat, and for another, such forests pose an enormous fire hazard, as Semmel knows very well. So they are fighting on a broad front for the wrong cause and neither for the environment nor for climate protection. Just like in our case.
[By the way @Semmel did you know that the head of the waterworks says that the water is not the problem, but the pumping plant, which is not designed for it? I only heard this once in an interview on DLF radio and found nothing in writing about it, obvious.]
If someone is a serious environmentalist, they can only fall into howling and despair these days.
There are too many deliberately blind activists and too few who seriously want to protect the creation.
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If you are interested in maps, I have been working intensively with map material for the last few years and here at TSE you can find the right map for almost any topic, whether it's maps about ownership or very detailed Sami maps, minerals or environmental topics. Just chat to me and I'll try to find the right one.
Since I have started to study the maps, especially the Sami maps, I have doubts that the information about essential use is not correct. The terrain runs along the ridge and only in the north by the road is there a kind of hut or shed for fodder. But there is not the mine site. But that's just my guess from a distance. I have the feeling that they are exaggerating. Only the court didn't buy it. Dio maybe has the feeling that we might have pulled the joker too early. I would rather assume that Talga would not have received the approval in the first place without this compromise or that it was part of the negotiation from the outset. And as Semmel already said, the Sami sue against everything that can be sued, regardless of the reason for the Green Deal or not. Everything is a threat for them and wind mills are green genocide. But I understand your tactical approach! Take it and them serious and not ambiguous as they do it themselves.
If you're ever on site, why don't you take some nice photos for us? That would be very nice!
Thank you as always for your very informative insight, which helps us to better understand everything on site.
Just my thoughts at the bar. Sometimes it can be frustrating. To see that some are fighting for right thing and to be one sided declared to do the opposite. That's not fair. But what is fair anyway. Who wants to protect the climate and creation?
A few responses, yes there are more than one hunting/fishing lodge on the bank of the Torne river opposing Nunasvaara south in the mixed use area. The lodges mostly have remained in the possession of the original Settler families.
However, I believe that at least in one case, a lodge was sold to a reindeer owning Talma family. They use it to stay with their ...dear deer during the winter months of the year. Oh it rhymes.
I have pointed out, in a previous posting of a News report, that appeared on SVT, showing a Sami, on his snowmobile along the banks of the Torne River. The Sami the previous Chairman of the Talma village, was pointing out to what the Reindeer eat , namely lichen and fungi. The pictures that accompanied the news snippet were taken close to our lodge, and the other lodges on the western bank of the Torne river.
I will be in the area of contention up North by the beginning of June so the reindeer will be long gone. However I will take some photos of the bridge across troubled waters and as close I can get to Nunasvaara South. Maybe I should notify Talga that I will be in the area and get a guided tour?
FInally there is an incorrect notion that the all of the forests growing on the banks of Torne river where the reindeer graze around Nunasvaara are protected . There is a very limited area that has received Natura 2000 protection and represent 'natural' pine forest but mostly it is a pine monoculture that has been logged repeatedly. However it that still can support some winter grazing by reindeer.
Beggars can't be chosers and the reindeer eat what they can get in the lean winter months. However this puts a limitation on how large a herd of reindeer can be. There have been many cases of the effects of over grazing and the Sami by now have got a good knowledge about the local conditions and how many reindeer an area can sustain before they move them on.
This mixed use for logging, grazing , hunting , fishing, extensive farming of this area only reinforces the multi use, by multiple users, in different seasons of the year of the biological resources of this Arctic boreal landscape.
And to fit in the use of some of it for mining will be a balancing act, that by necessity, will have to take into consideration the historically multi uses of the natural resources of the area by the Settlers and the Sami.
However, the local settler foundation families I have talked to about the Talga project, realise the high priority of getting new jobs to turn the 70 year long negative population trends in Vittangi around. The population has halved and now comprises of a majority of pensioners as I told you.
Looking forward to my visit up North,
No worries
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I immediately thought of your words. As a botanist, you're absolutely right and reindeer really do like to eat mushrooms. I didn't question that but thought it was kind of strange as I thought animals should be aware of poisons in their food. And indeed, reindeer have a preference for fly agaric
for whatever reason. And now comes this. Have a read and enjoy, I had to laugh so much. Learnt something again and from now on I see reindeer with different eyes 
Translation from German:"Stoned reindeer, stoned dolphins: animals in a frenzy
Hedgehogs have an alcohol problem, kangaroos enjoy themselves in opium poppy fields: The use of intoxicants in the animal kingdom is astonishing.
It's not just humans who use the intoxicating effects of alcohol and narcotics to escape from everyday life. Representatives of certain animal species also regularly indulge in a large gulp of high-proof spirits or consciously resort to hard drugs such as opiates. "There are animals that smoke pot and animals that get high," says Karlsruhe biologist Mario Ludwig. The scientist has specialised in the popular scientific analysis of bizarre and previously little-known phenomena from the animal kingdom and has published more than 20 books on the subject.
According to Ludwig, reindeer love to eat fly agaric. Because the mushrooms contain mind-expanding substances, the reindeer begin to sway after eating them. Drugs are also popular with some animals in Tasmania, Australia. According to Ludwig, kangaroos often deliberately enter opium poppy fields, eat poppy capsules and then run around in circles intoxicated by the morphine they contain.
Dolphins use pufferfish as a joint
According to the findings of the 58-year-old scientist, however, a particularly curious type of self-intoxication is practised by a special species of dolphin. "The bottlenose dolphin takes another animal as a drug, namely the puffer fish," says Ludwig. Pufferfish contain a high concentration of the neurotoxin tetrodotoxin and secrete it under stress. Once, several bottlenose dolphins were even filmed maltreating a pufferfish, letting it go round "like a joint" and getting high on its poison. "Surprisingly, only young male dolphins do this," explains Ludwig.
The consumption of alcohol in the form of fermented berries is also common in the animal kingdom, says the PhD scientist. Scenes such as those in Astrid Lindgren's children's book "Michel from Lönneberga", where pets stagger around the yard drunk after eating spoilt cherries, are by no means fiction, but are also possible in reality.
Hedgehogs in the UK have an alcohol problem
According to the researcher, hedgehogs in the UK have a "massive alcohol problem". The reason for this are the many so-called beer traps that English hobby gardeners use to protect their flower and vegetable beds. The cups filled with beer are actually only intended to attract slugs. However, as slugs are the favourite food of hedgehogs, they regularly feast on the containers with the beer mix. Not a safe endeavour, says Ludwig, "because afterwards the hedgehogs are stinking drunk and sleep it off in the corner of the garden, quite unprotected".
The guenons on the Caribbean island of St Kitts are even more direct and unafraid of humans, says the expert. "They drink the tourists' cocktails and lie drunk on the beach in the afternoon."
The biologist says that his research into animal drug abuse is not yet enough for an entire book: "Drug research in animals is still in its infancy." However, the science author has already started his next projects: He is planning a book on "The most bizarre animal species" as well as a volume on the different communication channels in the animal kingdom."
Zugedröhnte Rentiere, bekiffte Delfine: Tiere im Rausch
Zugedröhnte Rentiere, bekiffte Delfine: Tiere im Rausch
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but wait
it's getting even better:from Switzerland
"Flying high thanks to reindeer urine
The fact that reindeer pull Santa's sleigh has to do with toadstools. These, in turn, must first find their way through a reindeer.Especially in Anglo-Saxon culture, reindeer are inextricably linked to Christmas. They pull Santa Claus' sleigh, which sets off from the North Pole on Christmas Eve. This Santa Claus has nothing to do with our "Santa Claus", but the idea of Santa Claus on a reindeer sleigh has become more and more popular in recent years. Rudi, the reindeer, knows every child by now. The figure of Santa Claus was supposedly invented in 1829 by the American Clement Moore in a poem. The reindeer sleigh was not depicted in a drawing in Harper's Magazine until 1868. Originally, eight reindeer pulled the sleigh – each with its own name. Rudolf "Rudi" was one of them.
Within a century, the reindeer became what the hare is to Easter. The fact that Santa Claus lives with his reindeer in Lapland goes back to a story that the Finnish radio presenter Markus Rautio told his listeners in 1927. As a result, a hiker met Santa Claus on a cold winter night at the foot of Mount Korvatunturi (in German: Ohrenberg). He explained to him that he lived and worked with his reindeer, elves and gnomes in this mountain, which was shaped like an ear so that he could hear and fulfill the wishes of all children around the world. As more and more people made pilgrimages to Finnish Lapland to search for Santa Claus on the mountain, Rovaniemi, a good 250 kilometres to the southwest, was unceremoniously named Santa Claus' second home at the end of the Second World War.
Why reindeer, of all people, pull Santa's sleigh can be explained by his name. Joulupukki is called Santa Claus in Finland. Joulu refers to the Nordic Christmas (Yule) and this has always been associated with the reindeer. Like other parts of the Christmas traditions, it was only later associated with the Christian festival.
Contact with the reindeer spirit
The ancient Yule festival originally had a completely different meaning: Siberian peoples worshipped the so-called Great Reindeer Spirit. In 1658, a Polish prisoner of war brought the news of this custom to Europe for the first time. He reported that during Yule, December 21, the shortest and darkest day of the year, shamans would become intoxicated with the poison of toadstools. This allowed them to make contact with the Great Reindeer Spirit.
Finding the right dosage for the fly agaric decoction was not easy. Too high a concentration of the poison can even lead to death. The solution came from the reindeer, which like to eat these mushrooms. How they manage not to poison themselves in the process is still their secret. However, what they then utter contains the right dose that is harmless to humans for the desired state of intoxication: urine. When drunk, it gave people the feeling of flying. The name fly mushroom refers to this and the red and white clothing of Santa Claus also has its origin here. Maybe even the red nose of reindeer Rudi has something to do with it. "
Höhenflüge dank Rentierurin - tierwelt.ch
Dass Rentiere den Schlitten des Weihnachtsmannes ziehen, hat mit Fliegenpilzen zu tun. Diese wiederum müssen zuerst den Weg durch ein Rentier finden.
That's interesting and funny at the same time, isn't it? Have a nice weekend!
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And yes, I have also read about how the greedy reindeer sometimes eat the forests bare and also strip the bark from trees. Presumably the reason for the regulation that each municipality is only allowed to keep a certain amount. The other article about the penalty imposed because of the greed for more.
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beserk
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Talga Estate.. proudly sitting in proximity to Pokolbin in New South Wales...looks like a nice place for a vacation to unwind from the stresses of following the drip fed news about Talma & Gabna et al v Talga that is percolating it's way to the other side..
Oh and they have got Kangaroos in the top paddock...next to the grapewines...
No worries
Beserk
Oh and they have got Kangaroos in the top paddock...next to the grapewines...
No worries
Beserk
cosors
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Looks nice!
I know in addition an Aussie Lavender Association and a Saudi Society for Sustainable Development with the name Talga. And on Phillipi, talga means ~ really; just; certainly; definitely; actual; in fact; downright; indeed; surely and there are always many results about Tiktok with young people and selfies on google.
TALGA - The Australian Lavender Growers Association all things lavender
The Australian Lavender Growers Association (TALGA) - Not for profit organsion that promotes and supports the Australian lavender industry
www.talga.com.au
Talga - The Sustainable Development Association
Talga aims to elevate the capabilities of the Saudi society to achieve sustainable development with a specific focus on localizing the UN...
talga.org
And in Sweden I think it describes tallow and a type of blackbird, I think, but I don't know exactly. It also seems to be a term for the pulleys of a pulley block.
... we're all bored and waiting.
cosors
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Here try this
Aussie BBQ Sauce - 84th&3rd
It's funny you know, the differences you find in an activity as simple as cooking food over an open flame. For starters what do you call said activity - barbeque, barbecue, BBQ, grilling or something else - and what do the terms mean? Then there's the question of what to cook, and even what...84thand3rd.com
Aussie BBQ Sauce
While the act of barbequing is a very Australian activity, BBQ sauce generally comes from a plastic bottle… yikes. This Aussie twist uses a pinch of Vegemite for a savory, salty kick – and the most Aussie of all fruits, the mango, for sweetness. Australia, meet BBQ sauce, I think you’ll get along just fine.
INGREDIENTS:
METHOD:
- 1 c tomato passata
- 2 Tbsp molasses
- 2 Tbsp tomato paste
- 1/4 c apple cider vinegar
- 1 Tbsp dijon mustard
- 1 clove garlic
- 1 tsp sweet paprika
- 1 tsp oregano
- 1 tsp Vegemite*
- 1/4 c mango puree, from fresh mango
- 1 Tbsp whiskey, optional...................bullshit.................this is not optional at all
Combine all ingredients in a small sauce pan. Simmer 20 minutes until thick.
Pour into serialized bottle to store. Keeps in fridge for 2-3 weeks. Freeze any leftovers in a small ice cube tray so small portions can be defrosted.
Use to top sandwiches and burgers, or as a marinade for meat prior to cooking over hot coals – no matter what you call it.
*COOK’S NOTES:
- Vegemite: if you don’t have access to Vegemite, marmite or another similar spread, simply use a splash of soy sauce, tamari, worcestershire sauce or
Beer byproduct behind Marmite could help us recycle metal waste
Beer byproduct behind Marmite could help us recycle metal waste
Scientists use spent brewer’s yeast, left over from manufacturing beer, to filter out metal from waste streams.
www.frontiersin.org
It seems to be much more useful as just eating it.)
...in science radio here...
WheresTheMonkey
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I know the Hunter Valley very very well its a great spot for a 3 or 4 day break.
Lots of wineries (specialising in shiraz and semillon) plus in more recent years a number of distilleries have also opened up. They do other grape varieties there but they usually ship the grapes in from other regions.
They don't look like kangaroos though. They are wallabies by the look of them which don't grow much more than 3 foot (maybe 1 metre tall). Look at the fence posts as a comparison. Those guys look quite short with likely a buck third from the left (males are also called "boomer's"')
The main kangaroo in eastern Australia is the Eastern Grey which grows to 2 metres and likes patches of tree growth and open grasslands.
Wallabies tend to like fairly dense bushland with a bit of grassland as well. Just like the Pokolbin area
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I shall try through Twitter, yet I think he’s blocked many unverified people, due to some bugging him out with negative tweets.
It is with great sadness that I let you all know that Zoulou passed away yesterday after a long and courage's battle with cancer.
He was a true believer in Talga and long-term members of the other site will know how insightful his post always were.
Rest in peace my friend.
Gero
He was a true believer in Talga and long-term members of the other site will know how insightful his post always were.
Rest in peace my friend.
Gero
where he is now, he doesn't need graphite, or graphene any more.
cosors
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@Gero thanks for the info. May the faithful and personally unknown Zoulou rest in peace.
At that time I still hoped that he would also come here. But I don't think he even realised that TSE exists. When I mentioned it here once, he was met with the concentrated madness of an avatar I don't want to name here.
I always remembered Zoulou as one of the most loyal Talgarians, if not the most. His word carried weight with me.
I'm very sorry about that. I assume he was your friend Gero, so my heartfelt condolences go directly to you.
At that time I still hoped that he would also come here. But I don't think he even realised that TSE exists. When I mentioned it here once, he was met with the concentrated madness of an avatar I don't want to name here.
I always remembered Zoulou as one of the most loyal Talgarians, if not the most. His word carried weight with me.
I'm very sorry about that. I assume he was your friend Gero, so my heartfelt condolences go directly to you.
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I have just reported these last two posts because of the sad occasion. Maybe someone will join me. May Zoulou rest in peace.
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it's your pure phantasy and not true.
I was never admonished for it. So please, it's a tough discussion what Ai is allowed to say a d there is the EU Ai Act! This is not true.
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It’s tricky to put anything too obvious on HC that guides people to this site - the mods are on to it quick smart! Yes that's true, but I also spelled it out and it wasn't moderated🤫 (...because of my comparison of tse and HC, I was admonished.) I think those who really want to change will find...
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it's your pure phantasy and not true.
I was never admonished for it. So please, it's a tough discussion what Ai is allowed to say a d there is the EU Ai Act! This is not true.
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Taaveniku ifrågasätter Talgas förfrågan: ”Underligt agerat” - P4 Norrbotten
Kiruna kommun reagerar starkt på att Talga har vänt sig till regeringen för att skynda på processen om detaljplanen till en grafitgruva i Vittangi.Talga ...
WheresTheMonkey
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I’m so sorry to hear that Gero.
He was probably the most informative contributor on the HC TLG page.
Such a pity the A-hole from the UK caused Zoulou to pull back from being as fully engaged on HC as he once was.
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