AVZ Discussion 2022

The suspension in “my opinion” will not be lifted any time soon, my guess is that we really need the president to help remedy this situation and by looking at what’s going on seems he is very tied up and occupied with the M23 issue.
Blinken is due to touch down in the DRC for talks in the 9th so I would only imagine AVZ is not too high on the list of priorities when there is civil unrest in the country.
All in my opinion of course I would love to be proven wrong!!

This is an interesting one. Over many years the USA seemingly stood back in Africa allowing the Chinese to come in and build political leverage (Belt and Road) and acquire enormous strategic assets (lithium, rare earths). I would absolutely expect Blinken to be talking up Western investment in such assets. Given the importance of this particular asset I would be more surprised if Manono didn't come up in the conversation.

Edit: Like I said earlier, I'll be as pissed as hell if AVZ does not have the Australian Government actively supporting a resolution to this mess.
 
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You know what I think.. ML ✅ & SOLD

GLTAH
Mixed feelings about this. Good, given my current level of paranoia but presumably at a price well below potential. That BFS really needs to see the light of day ASAP to support whatever trading or M&A action happens next...
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This is an interesting one. Over many years the USA seemingly stood back in Africa allowing the Chinese to come in and build political leverage (Belt and Road) and acquire enormous strategic assets (lithium, rare earths). I would absolutely expect Blinken to be talking up Western investment in such assets. Given the importance of this particular asset I would be more surprised if Manono didn't come up in the conversation.
I would love to be a fly on the wall. A couple of the topics they will supposedly be covering are combating corruption, with trade and investment. Maybe Manono does come up!! All speculation and Saturday night Mullings. All in my opinion as always.
 
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I would love to be a fly on the wall. A couple of the topics they will supposedly be covering are combating corruption, with trade and investment. Maybe Manono does come up!! All speculation and Saturday night Mullings. All in my opinion as always.
I would love to be a fly on the wall
 
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A lot of these articles seem to be recycled throughout various media like this. I've just been searching for another article that I had a query about but so far only finding the same article you just posted over and over again on various sites.
Yeh I wish we were seeing articles being recycled from the journalists that recently visited the site 😕
 
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I would love to be a fly on the wall
Have a word with Athanase Mwamba Misao, he highly likely has Felix's office wired, so he knows when to shoot through to Brazzaville to save his corrupt arse. ;):poop:😂
He is a survivor, but knows when it gets too hot for comfort.
 
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This is not from the mines department, it’s a blog site for hire and advertising. Likely registered out of China.

Here is the official Mines Department website. https://mines-rdc.cd/fr/

You will see the same fuckers on Twitter with Mines.CD in their name, they not the official department and just a dodgy poor attempt at a clone address.

The true mines department on the web, Twitter or elsewhere only goes back to this website https://mines-rdc.cd/fr/

These pretend sites push / republish a mix of genuine and bullshit articles, including blog / posts and articles that are not picked up in main media that want promotion.

These sites can and often post absolute propaganda style articles / paid bullshit content by groups like Cominiere that are desperate for such rubbish to be circulated.

Also, there is also a bullshit Twitter account for the Minister or Mines. This is almost an exact clone.

Both the bullshit Mines Department Twitter account and the bullshit Mining Minister Twitter account has sent me direct messages and have engaged in conversation about AVZ as all part of the direct or more broad influencing attempts on social media. All funded and propped up out of China I’m quite sure.

Apparently this week coming there is an expectation everything is sorted out in AVZ’s favour, and will be out of suspension. Yet I’ve been told that before, so I’ll wait on offical announcements, what is included in the announcements will determine if SP goes up or down.

IMO all the AVZ information good and bad that’s being passed around here and elsewhere else will not have anywhere near as much influence on the SP as people think, (even though Shorters are hopeful) I’d say 10% impact at most whereas say 90% impact on SP will all come down to the out of suspension announcements at that time.

One wonders what will those announcements look like and contain, scared, hmm a little, excited, hmm a little. Anxious, you bet. 😁

Cheers The Fox
 
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This is not from the mines department, it’s a blog site for hire and advertising. Likely registered out of China.

Here is the official Mines Department website. https://mines-rdc.cd/fr/

You will see the same fuckers on Twitter with Mines.CD in their name, they not the official department and just a dodgy poor attempt at a clone address.

The true mines department on the web, Twitter or elsewhere only goes back to this website https://mines-rdc.cd/fr/

These pretend sites push / republish a mix of genuine and bullshit articles, including blog / posts and articles that are not picked up in main media that want promotion.

These sites can and often post absolute propaganda style articles / paid bullshit content by groups like Cominiere that are desperate for such rubbish to be circulated.

Also, there is also a bullshit Twitter account for the Minister or Mines. This is almost an exact clone.

Both the bullshit Mines Department Twitter account and the bullshit Mining Minister Twitter account has sent me direct messages and have engaged in conversation about AVZ as all part of the direct or more broad influencing attempts on social media. All funded and propped up out of China I’m quite sure.

Apparently this week coming there is an expectation everything is sorted out in AVZ’s favour, and will be out of suspension. Yet I’ve been told that before, so I’ll wait on offical announcements, what is included in the announcements will determine if SP goes up or down.

IMO all the AVZ information good and bad that’s being passed around here and elsewhere else will not have anywhere near as much influence on the SP as people think, (even though Shorters are hopeful) I’d say 10% impact at most whereas say 90% impact on SP will all come down to the out of suspension announcements at that time.

One wonders what will those announcements look like and contain, scared, hmm a little, exited, hmm a little. Anxious, you bet. 😁

Cheers The Fox
Cheers Fox, yeh twitter is so hard to navigate with who is who etc super dodgy indeed using very like names etc to spread their misinformation.
 
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Be nice if this recognition for the Minister has something to do with AVZ, I expect we shall know a lot more, this week. 😀

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Mines: Antoinnette N'Samba whips for the rise of ETDs​

Mines Minister Antoinette N'Samba Kalambayi was voted best Congolese personality and best woman of the year 2022, following her stubbornness in the fierce fight against mining fraud by "The Congolese Merit Awards".

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Mines Minister Antoinette N'samba stands out for her mastery and rigorous management of the mining sector, now the basis of the record of revenues never mobilized since the existence of independent Congo @Photo Third-party rights
Published on August 6, 2022 at 06:32:07

In the hinterland long left behind in the sharing of mining revenues, we feel the wind of development thanks to traceability and the sharing of the mining royalty that decentralized territorial entities (DEFTAs) must also be taken into account. Ms. N'Samba, the first woman appointed Minister of Mines, constantly watches over the interests of the people of the hinterland. A first.

It realized that since March 2018, when the mining code was revised, none of its predecessors has been able to do better. Very integrated, it is far from selfish quarrels of interests. Since its accession as head of the Ministry of Mines, the sector has further bailed out the coffers of the public treasury. Various polls place her in the top 3 of the best Warriors in the Sama government. Proof that she performs. Moreover, N'Samba's rigor imposes a good channeling of mining revenues.

The text that unlocks everything​

Finally, this is the interministerial Mines/Social Affairs decree on the establishment of specialized bodies in charge of managing the allocation of 0.3% of mining operators' turnover for communities impacted by mining activities. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are at stake. For N'samba, ETDs first! It has already prioritized 12 mining projects for the benefit of local communities. In Upper Katanga, the provincial administration invited all ETDs to develop the planning tools, namely the kocal Development Plan (PDL), the Annual Investment Plan (IPA) and the Investment Budget (IB).
Organic Law No. 0B-16 of 7 October 2008 on the composition, organization and operation of EfDs and their relations with the State and the provinces in its Article 5 paragraph 3 stipulates that ETDs enjoy free administration and autonomy to manage their economic, human, financial and technical resources. This has never been applicable when the DRC began its mining reform 20 years ago with great ambitions. Alas.
The provincial ministry of the Haut-Katanga Plan asks the various ETDs to develop local development plans and update existing ones. The objective is, on the one hand, to equip all ETDs with local development planning tools that are vertically consistent with the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), the National Strategic Development Plan (PNSD), the Economic and Social Development Plan (PDES) of the province of Haut-Katanga and, on the other hand, in horizontal coherence with sectoral planning tools as well as the specifications of mining companies and affected communities.
 
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This is not from the mines department, it’s a blog site for hire and advertising. Likely registered out of China.

Here is the official Mines Department website. https://mines-rdc.cd/fr/

You will see the same fuckers on Twitter with Mines.CD in their name, they not the official department and just a dodgy poor attempt at a clone address.

The true mines department on the web, Twitter or elsewhere only goes back to this website https://mines-rdc.cd/fr/

These pretend sites push / republish a mix of genuine and bullshit articles, including blog / posts and articles that are not picked up in main media that want promotion.

These sites can and often post absolute propaganda style articles / paid bullshit content by groups like Cominiere that are desperate for such rubbish to be circulated.

Also, there is also a bullshit Twitter account for the Minister or Mines. This is almost an exact clone.

Both the bullshit Mines Department Twitter account and the bullshit Mining Minister Twitter account has sent me direct messages and have engaged in conversation about AVZ as all part of the direct or more broad influencing attempts on social media. All funded and propped up out of China I’m quite sure.

Apparently this week coming there is an expectation everything is sorted out in AVZ’s favour, and will be out of suspension. Yet I’ve been told that before, so I’ll wait on offical announcements, what is included in the announcements will determine if SP goes up or down.

IMO all the AVZ information good and bad that’s being passed around here and elsewhere else will not have anywhere near as much influence on the SP as people think, (even though Shorters are hopeful) I’d say 10% impact at most whereas say 90% impact on SP will all come down to the out of suspension announcements at that time.

One wonders what will those announcements look like and contain, scared, hmm a little, exited, hmm a little. Anxious, you bet. 😁

Cheers The Fox
Great postFoxy. Calmed my nerves. Hold the line holders. GLTAH 💪
 
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Many here would have read the translation of the IGF report already, however I thought I would repost it here for the benefit of the new members on this forum (many thanks & credit to InvestInvest for the translation).

NB French version first, English translation follows

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Just thought I'd spend my Sunday afternoon typing and translating the IGF report:


(ORIGINAL IN FRENCH) :

INSPECTION GENERALE DES FINANCES

FEUILLE D'OBSERVATIONS DEFINITIVES ADRESSEES AU DIRECTEUR GENERAL ai DE LA COMINIERE SA

1. INTRODUCTION

1. Cadre juridique de la mission


Par l'ordre de mission n°54/I'R/IGF/IG-CS/JAK/BRF/2022 du 16 fevrier 2022 complete par l'ordre de mission n°73/PR/IGF/IG-CS/JAK/BEP/2022 du 22 fevrier 2022 de Monsieur l'Inspecteur General des Finances-Chef de Service, nous avons ete charges d'une mission officielle aupres des Societes COMINIERE S.A. et DATHCOM Mining S.A. a Lubumbashi (Annexes 1 et 2)

La mission a pour objet:
- Verefier la regularite la motivation et l'opportunite de la cession partielle des parts detenues par la societe COMINIERE SA dans le capital social de DATHCOM Mining SA;
- Determiner la valeur comptable des parts cedees en examinant les etats financiers certifies des cinq (5) dernieres annees et al valeur des gisements;
- Determiner la valeur venale des parts cedees;
- Examiner les differenis proces-verbaux notaries des Conseils d'Administration et Assemblees Generales en rapport avec cette cession;

2. Jestifications de la feuille d'observations

Pour accomplir la mission nous assignee, l'equipe de controle a, par ses lettres n°02&04/PR/IGF/OM54/NML&JNM/2022 des 17&22 fevrier 2022 adressees au Directeur General de la COMINIERE SA, demande les documents des societes COMINIERE SA et DATHCOM Mining SA dont la synthese est ci-apres:
- Statuts et Organigrammes;
- Rapports d'expertise relatifs a l'evaluation technique et patrimoniale (gisement et autres reserves) avant la prise de participation par la COMINIERE et apres la cession partielle des parts sociales;
- Proces-verbaux notaries des Conseils d'Administration et des Assemblees Generales;
- Actesadministratifs de nomination des organes de gestion;
- Rapports annuels d'activite de la periode;
- Principaux contrats et conventions signes;
- Etats financiers certifies assortis des commentaires de la Direction et les rapports des commissaires aux comptes;
- Convention de cession des parts de la COMINIERE;
- Previsions budgetaires, leurs etats d'execution et les plans des tresorerie;
- Balance generale des comptes et balances auxiliares des comptes des tiers;
- Grands livres et/ou fiches de comptes aux 31 decembre;
- Dossiers de prise d'inventaire physique aux 31 decembre, proces-verbaux des caisses, rapports d'inventaire physique des immobilisations, rapports d'inventaire physique des stocks...
- Liste des acquisitions et des cessions des immobilisations des exercises sous controle.


Aucun argument valable n'a ete avance par le Directeur General ai pour justifier le recours au marche de gre a gre avec ces deux Consultants tout comme d'ailleurs avec FOCUS PLAIDOIRIE, consultant qui aurait mis en contact ZIJIN Mining et la COMINIERE SA. L'attribution de ces trois marches aux Consultants susmentionnes denote l'existence d'un interet pouvant justifier une presomption de corruption. Ces marches ont ete passes en violation de la Loi n*10/10 du 27 avril 2010 relative aux marches publics. Cela rend le Directeur General ai passible des peines prevues par les articles 77 et 78 de la loi precitee.

18) Le bureau d'etudes Knight Piesold consulting que vous avez vous-meme choisi pour certifier l'Etude definitive de faisabilite du projet Lithium et Etain de Manono a fixe ses prestations a 55.081,69 $US. Comment pouvez-vous expliquer que les deux Consultants qui n'ont fait que tirer un petit extrait de ladite Etude soient aussi exagerement payes?

REPONSE DE LA COMINIERE
Le travail effectue par le Bureau d'etudes Knight Piesold Consulting ne saurait etre compare a la prestation des consultants, les deux travaux etant differents.

POSITION IGF
Il va de soi que la travail effecture par le Bureau Knight Piesold Consulting est de loin plus important et plus fouille que celui des deux Consultants charges simplement de determiner le prix de cession des 15% des parts sociales. Le Directeur General ai n'a pas repondu a la question.


En l'absence des justifications motivees probantes, l'Equipe de controle se verra dans l'obligation de rejecter cetter depense de 70.000,00$US et mettra le montant a votre charge et ce, d'autant plus que vous avez depasse les plafonds des depenses d'exploitation fixed par l'Assemblee Generale ordinaire du 03 aout 2018.

19) Il ressort du contrat de cession des 15% des parts sociales a ZIJIN Mining que la valeur venales des parts cedees a ete fixee a 33.440.000,00 $US sue base des calculs faits par les deux consultants en prenant en compte environ un tiers des gisements estimes extraits de l'Etude definitive de faisabilite du projet Lithium et Etain de Manono. Qu'est-ce qui a bien pu justifier cette precipitation au moment ou la certification de toute l'Etude n'est pas encore terminee et en l'absence des etudes de faisabilite propres a la COMINIERE pour des projets a financer?

REPONSE DE LA COMINIERE
Cette evaluation n'a pas ete faite dans la precipitation il s'agit plutot d'une valeur provisoire qui pourra etre reveu. (Cfr le contrart avec clause laissant une ouverture...)

POSITION IGF
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20) La base de negociation pour la cession des 15% d'actions de la COMINIERE SA dans DATHCOM Mining SA devait, au regard des analyses objectives qui precedent, lesquelles ne prennent en compte qu'un seul produit, se situait a 434.306.714,85 $US. Porquoi des lors vous etes-vous contente des calculs simplistes faits par vos consultants? N'etes-vous pas manifestement coupable de bradage du patrimoine de l'Etat?

REPONSE DE LA COMINIERE
Techniquement, en matiere miniere, les cauculs different selon que l'on a affaire a un gisement certifie, a un gisement non certifie ou a une mine en phase d'exploitation. La COMINIERE emet des reserves quant a l'exactitude des calculs qui ont conduit a ce montant. Cependant, faute pout les inspecteurs d'avoir mis a sa disposition le document exposant les < due diligences > realisees pour obtenir ce resultat, il est difficile a la COMINIERE de rencontrer les preoccupations quant a ce, car ne sachant pas sur quelle base des calculs ont ete faits. Quoiqu'il en soit, il importe de preciser que la Societe COMINIERE SA n'etant pas encore en phase de production, la valeur des 15% des parts sociales de la Societe COMINIERE SA a ete faite sur base de la valeur maechande du Lithium, compte tenu des ressources evaluces provisoirement.

POSITION IGF
Des lors que le processus de certificatin est en cours, la precipitation a ventre 15% des parts sociales etait done injustifiee. La mise en ouvre des <due diligences > comptables et financieres a permis d'estimer la valeur de 15% de parts sociales de la COMINIERE dans DATHCOM MINING cedees a la societe ZIJING, sur base des donnees tirees de l'annexe 1 du rapport de AVZ Minerals Limited sur l'etude de faisabilite du projet Lithium et Etain de Manono, pour l'exploitation de contres de Spodumene SC6 et du sulfate primaire, aux valeurs reprises dans le tableau ci-dessous, en fonction de la base de negociation qui integre ou non le taux d'actualisation de 10% retenu dans le modele financier du projet.

Telles sont les observations definitives que l'Equipe de controle retient a charge du Directeur General ai de la COMINIERE SA, le Proces-verbal de debat contradictoire faisant foi.

Fait a Kinshasa, le 30 mars 2022




(ENGLISH TRANSLATION BY GOOGLE TRANSLATE) :

GENERAL INSPECTION OF FINANCES

DEFINITIVE OBSERVATIONS SHEET ADDRESSED TO THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF LA COMINIERE SA

1. INTRODUCTION

1. Legal framework of the mission


By mission order n°54/I'R/IGF/IG-CS/JAK/BRF/2022 of February 16, 2022 supplemented by mission order n°73/PR/IGF/IG-CS/JAK/ BEP/2022 of February 22, 2022 from the Inspector General of Finances-Head of Service, we were charged with an official mission to the companies COMINIERE S.A. and DATHCOM Mining S.A. in Lubumbashi (Appendices 1 and 2)

The purpose of the assignment is:
- Check the legality, motivation and timeliness of the partial sale of shares held by COMINIERE SA in the share capital of DATHCOM Mining SA;
- Determine the book value of the transferred shares by examining the certified financial statements of the last five (5) years and the value of the deposits;
- Determine the market value of the sold shares;
- Examine the different notarized minutes of the Boards of Directors and General Meetings in connection with this sale;

2. Justifications of the observation sheet

To accomplish the mission assigned to us, the control team, by its letters n°02&04/PR/IGF/OM54/NML&JNM/2022 of February 17&22, 2022 addressed to the Director General of the COMINIERE SA, requests the documents of the companies COMINIERE SA and DATHCOM Mining SA, the summary of which is below:
- Articles of Association and Organizational Charts;
- Expert reports relating to the technical and patrimonial evaluation (deposit and other reserves) before the acquisition of a stake by COMINIERE and after the partial transfer of shares;
- Notarized minutes of Boards of Directors and General Meetings;
- Administrative acts appointing management bodies;
- Annual activity reports for the period;
- Main contracts and agreements signed;
- Certified financial statements accompanied by the comments of the Management and the reports of the auditors;
- Agreement for the transfer of shares in COMINIERE;
- Budget forecasts, their states of execution and cash flow plans;
- General balance of accounts and auxiliary balances of third party accounts;
- Ledgers and/or account sheets as of December 31;
- Records of physical inventory taking on December 31, minutes of the cash desks, physical inventory reports of fixed assets, physical inventory reports of stocks...
- List of acquisitions and disposals of fixed assets for the fiscal years under control.

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(The following is likely to be the IGF conclusion to whatever question 17 to COMINIERE was):
No valid argument has been put forward by the Acting Managing Director to justify the use of the over-the-counter market with these two Consultants as well as with ADVOCACY FOCUS, consultant who would have brought ZIJIN Mining and COMINIERE SA into contact. The awarding of these three contracts to the aforementioned Consultants denotes the existence of an interest which may justify a suspicion of corruption. These contracts were awarded in violation of Law No. 10/10 of April 27, 2010 relating to public contracts. This makes the Director General am liable to the penalties provided for by Articles 77 and 78 of the aforementioned law.

18) The Knight Piesold Consulting design office that you yourself have chosen to certify the final feasibility study for the Manono Lithium and Tin project has fixed its services at US$55,081.69. How can you explain that the two Consultants who only took a small extract from the said Study are also overpaid?

COMINIERE'S RESPONSE
The work carried out by Knight Piesold Consulting cannot be compared to the performance of consultants, the two works being different.

IGF POSITION
It goes without saying that the work carried out by the Knight Piesold Consulting Office is far more important and more detailed than that of the two Consultants charged simply with determining the price of sale of 15% of the shares. The Acting Director General did not answer the question.


In the absence of convincing reasoned justifications, the Control Team will be obliged to reject this expense of US$70,000.00 and will charge the amount to you, all the more the more that you have exceeded the operating expense ceilings set by the Ordinary General Meeting of August 3, 2018.

19) It appears from the contract for the transfer of 15% of the shares to ZIJIN Mining that the market value of the shares transferred was set at US$33,440,000.00 on the basis of calculations made by the two consultants taking into account approximately one third of the estimated deposits extracted from the final feasibility study of the Manono Lithium and Tin project. What could possibly have justified this haste when the certification of the entire Study is not yet complete and in the absence of COMINIERE's own feasibility studies for projects to be financed?

COMINIERE'S RESPONSE
This evaluation was not made in haste, it is rather a provisional value that can be reviewed. (Cfr the contract with clause leaving an opening...)

IGF POSITION
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20) The basis of negotiation for the sale of COMINIERE SA's 15% shareholding in DATHCOM Mining SA should, with regard to the objective analyzes which precede, which do not take taking into account only one product, stood at US$434,306,714.85. Why then were you satisfied with the simplistic calculations made by your consultants? Aren't you obviously guilty of selling off state assets?

COMINIERE'S RESPONSE
Technically, in mining, the calculations differ depending on whether we are dealing with a certified deposit, a non-certified deposit or a mine in the exploitation phase. COMINIERE issues reservations as to the accuracy of the calculations which led to this amount. However, for lack of the inspectors having made available the document setting out the "due diligence" carried out to obtain this result, it is difficult for COMINIERE to meet the concerns about this, because it does not know on what basis the calculations were made. Anyway, it is important to specify that the Company COMINIERE SA is not yet in the production phase, the value of the 15% of the shares of the Company COMINIERE SA was made on the basis of the value lithium trade, taking into account the provisionally assessed resources.

IGF POSITION
Since the certification process is underway, the rush to sell 15% of the shares was therefore unjustified. The implementation of accounting and financial due diligence has allowed to estimate the value of 15% of the shares of COMINIERE in DATHCOM MINING sold to the company ZIJING, on the basis of data taken from appendix 1 of the AVZ Minerals Limited report on the feasibility study of the Manono Lithium and Tin project, for the exploitation of counters of Spodumene SC6 and primaire sulphate, at the values shown in the table below below, depending on the basis of negotiation which integrates or not the discount rate of 10% retained in the financial model of the project.

These are the final observations that the Audit Team accepts from the Managing Director of COMINIERE SA, the minutes of the contradictory debate being authentic.

Done in Kinshasa, March 30, 2022
 
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This is not from the mines department, it’s a blog site for hire and advertising. Likely registered out of China.

Here is the official Mines Department website. https://mines-rdc.cd/fr/

You will see the same fuckers on Twitter with Mines.CD in their name, they not the official department and just a dodgy poor attempt at a clone address.

The true mines department on the web, Twitter or elsewhere only goes back to this website https://mines-rdc.cd/fr/

These pretend sites push / republish a mix of genuine and bullshit articles, including blog / posts and articles that are not picked up in main media that want promotion.

These sites can and often post absolute propaganda style articles / paid bullshit content by groups like Cominiere that are desperate for such rubbish to be circulated.

Also, there is also a bullshit Twitter account for the Minister or Mines. This is almost an exact clone.

Both the bullshit Mines Department Twitter account and the bullshit Mining Minister Twitter account has sent me direct messages and have engaged in conversation about AVZ as all part of the direct or more broad influencing attempts on social media. All funded and propped up out of China I’m quite sure.

Apparently this week coming there is an expectation everything is sorted out in AVZ’s favour, and will be out of suspension. Yet I’ve been told that before, so I’ll wait on offical announcements, what is included in the announcements will determine if SP goes up or down.

IMO all the AVZ information good and bad that’s being passed around here and elsewhere else will not have anywhere near as much influence on the SP as people think, (even though Shorters are hopeful) I’d say 10% impact at most whereas say 90% impact on SP will all come down to the out of suspension announcements at that time.

One wonders what will those announcements look like and contain, scared, hmm a little, exited, hmm a little. Anxious, you bet. 😁

Cheers The Fox
Many thanks for doing the research and setting the record straight. Awesome work Fox. 🤘
 
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Many here would have read the translation of the IGF report already, however I thought I would repost it here for the benefit of the new members on this forum (many thanks & credit to InvestInvest for the translation).

NB French version first, English translation follows

investinvest
22/05/22

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Gee I’d love to see the full report, including all details around questions 1 to 17 and the responses from Cominiere.

The full conclusions and recommendations of the IGF must be quite alarming and give nightmares to the corrupt parties involved. (Many since have resigned or run away from Cominiere)

What you have shared here is just an excerpt of course, focussing mostly on one area of discussion being determination of the selling price for 15% of Dathcom.

One day the full report will come out, no doubt it is considered a serious hot potato politically until various actions against some of the dishonest parties involved have been taken by Gov.

Most all Ministers in developing counties (and some developed counties) bargain and trade on their position for profit, power and political point scoring constantly. Guess that’s why they call it politics hmm.

There maybe sections of the report that are never released or redacted like the involvement of the Minister of Portfolio, I would not be surprised if this Princess has cashed a few chips in to save her reputation (for now) and managed to keep herself mostly out of the firing line.

You can’t cut off everyone’s head at the same time when some shit hits the fan, some will survive a scandal and some won’t, depends how much power and how many chips in the game you have and if it’s enough to cover your ass depending on the scandal and level of your involvement.

I for one would be delighted to see the Minister of Portfolio strung up, however this stone cold face only a mother could love Princess has probably chocked up a few extra lives she can use up when needed, her number will come up one day.

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Funny how some of the Eckhof family are praising this “Princess” on Twitter, seems someone we know might have a special relationship with Adèle Kayinda Minister of Portfolio. Maybe Klaus took one for his team here. 😂

Anyway, that’s enough from me today, for now we trust the IGF recommendations have, or are currently being actioned by Gov and the attempted transaction with Zijin is toast. (Well so I’ve been told).

GLTAH’s and have a great week !!!

Cheers The Fox 🦊
 
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Well, it's been a long road. So far.
Things are apparently looking good, and close.
If we are being shafted, then it's not the walkover that the Chinese crims, based on previous and long experience, obviously expected.

I'll not comment on where we're at as my research hasn't thrown up anything not posted here.
Like everyone here, for me it's just a waiting game.

STAY STRONG!

Would just like to reply to the few newcomers that 'complained' (my word) about some of the content here.

Firstly, it is not moderated, at least not to my knowledge, so obviously does not breach ToU.
However, I'd be the first to acknowledge that that is not the be all and end all.

So a little hot crapper perspective is relevant.

Those of us that migrated here, perhaps six months ago, regarded ourselves as refugees from HC.
( I think I can speak for most/all ).

Sick of the trolls, sociopath and general disruption that prevailed on HC and that the mods were not interested in addressing.

So we ran off to our (mainly man) cave, a broad church where differences of opinions are readily accepted on the understanding that discussion and constructive argument will add extra information and analysis. This benefits all.

And yes, there have been a few notable disagreements where perhaps a few peeps went a bit far.
So not all perfect, but with huge sums of money on the line, it's to be expected.

Interestingly, I have found myself liking both sides of an argument.
I think that reflects the respect that overwhelmingly prevails here.

I strongly suspect that this reasonableness is what attracts some of the newer members.

Note the reaction your suggestions have elicited. Polite.

So please give us all a little leeway and enjoy some of the best ASX analysis available.

And BTW when we eventually trade again make sure you visit the chart thread. No egos or put downs.
 
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cruiser51

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1 Aug 2022
Author:Catholic News Service
Safety/environment: General Renewable energy Energy Mining Natural Resources: General
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DRC: House hearing investigates accusations that China is exploiting children in Africa in the mining of cobalt, lithium and various rare earth minerals​

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‘House hearing examines child labor abuses in Chinese-owned mines in Congo’ 22 July 2022
The current state of child labor and human rights violations in Congo’s mining sector “is particularly critical,” a Jesuit priest told a recent House hearing looking into accusations China is exploiting children in Africa in the mining of cobalt, lithium and various rare earth minerals. Congo produces over 70% of the world’s cobalt, which along with other minerals, is used in components for smartphones, digital cameras, computer hard disks, flat-screen televisions, computer monitors and other high-tech devices. Jesuit Father Rigobert Minani Bihuzo, regional coordinator of the Ecclesial Network of the Congo Basin Forest, was one of several witnesses at a July 15 hearing of the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission of the U.S. Congress.
… “On the backs of trafficked workers and child laborers, China exploits the vast cobalt resources of the DCR (Congo) to fuel its economy and global agenda,” said Rep. Chris Smith, N.J., who ran the hearing as the commission’s co-chair. “The Chinese Communist Party’s quest for cobalt for batteries and lithium for solar panels to power the so-called green economy motivates human rapacity as an estimated 40,000 children in Congo toil in nonregulated artisanal mines under hazardous conditions,” said Smith, who also is the ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Africa… “All field survey reports deplored the fact that the majority of mines use children in various tasks. This is done while Congolese legislation and international standards prohibit child labor,” he said, adding that boys and girls “who initially come to the mines to obtain money for their schooling, end up dropping out of school.”
… Also testifying was Hervé Diakiese Kyungu, a prominent Congolese civil rights attorney who previously represented child soldier victims before the International Criminal Court. Diakiese confirmed the use of child labor in these mines and noted China’s “new way of colonization” uses “some very ugly old ways to enforce control.” In southern Congo, on a site managed by the Chinese-owned Commus company, he said, “two persons identified as Chinese citizen(s) … instructed two Congolese military officers to whip two Congolese who were found on their site.” …Also testifying was Eric Shultz, former U.S. ambassador to Zambia, who noted that “China uses the same approach in every African country: fueling authoritarianism, corruption, and economic inefficiency.” “We are in a very real sense at war with China in Africa — and Russia too for that matter. Or rather they are at war with us,” Shultz said. “And Africa is too important, I believe, for the U.S. to not fight back.”
 
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BEISHA

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Many here would have read the translation of the IGF report already, however I thought I would repost it here for the benefit of the new members on this forum (many thanks & credit to InvestInvest for the translation).

NB French version first, English translation follows

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Fairly definitive in what IGF report suggests............Cominiere guilty of delinquancy of duty, with more than a hint of corruption to add to the mix.

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Winenut

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Well, it's been a long road. So far.
Things are apparently looking good, and close.
If we are being shafted, then it's not the walkover that the Chinese crims, based on previous and long experience, obviously expected.

I'll not comment on where we're at as my research hasn't thrown up anything not posted here.
Like everyone here, for me it's just a waiting game.

STAY STRONG!

Would just like to reply to the few newcomers that 'complained' (my word) about some of the content here.

Firstly, it is not moderated, at least not to my knowledge, so obviously does not breach ToU.
However, I'd be the first to acknowledge that that is not the be all and end all.

So a little hot crapper perspective is relevant.

Those of us that migrated here, perhaps six months ago, regarded ourselves as refugees from HC.
( I think I can speak for most/all ).

Sick of the trolls, sociopath and general disruption that prevailed on HC and that the mods were not interested in addressing.

So we ran off to our (mainly man) cave, a broad church where differences of opinions are readily accepted on the understanding that discussion and constructive argument will add extra information and analysis. This benefits all.

And yes, there have been a few notable disagreements where perhaps a few peeps went a bit far.
So not all perfect, but with huge sums of money on the line, it's to be expected.

Interestingly, I have found myself liking both sides of an argument.
I think that reflects the respect that overwhelmingly prevails here.

I strongly suspect that this reasonableness is what attracts some of the newer members.

Note the reaction your suggestions have elicited. Polite.

So please give us all a little leeway and enjoy some of the best ASX analysis available.

And BTW when we eventually trade again make sure you visit the chart thread. No egos or put downs.
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Fairly definitive in what IGF report suggests............Cominiere guilty of delinquancy of duty, with more than a hint of corruption to add to the mix.

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Speaking of the IGF, DRC Thieves and Predators guilty of Delinquency of Duty, I see where,

Godé Mpoy placed on the tomb of Étienne Tshisekedi a list of 830 people supposed to be great thieves of public funds

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The President of the Kinshasa Provincial Assembly, Godé Mpoy Kadima, laid down this Saturday, August 6, at the graves of Étienne Tshisekedi, Patrice Emery Lumumba, Mzee Kabila, Joseph Kasa-vubu and at the Embassy of the Kingdom of Morocco , a list of 830 alleged big thieves of public funds in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Very affected by this anti-value that has become commonplace within state institutions, Godé Mpoyi intends to annihilate it through a great prayer at the Martyrs' stadium, a prayer against "predators".

On the other hand, the Inspector General of Finance, Head of Services, Jules Alingete is fine-tuning strategies focused on the organization of conferences, workshops, etc.

The objective is to sensitize all social strata against the embezzlement of public funds which plague Congolese society.

Previously, he exchanged with artists, media professionals, and other social categories.


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Things are definitely Heating Up on the Road to Mining Manono Bro 🔥

Food for thought :unsure:

Cheers 🍻

Frank :cool:
 
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How about " The AVZ Minerals Scholarship For Aspiring Law Students" sponsoring 5 (per year) promising young law aspirants to attend a prominent world class university with the proviso that for the first few years of practice they work against corruption in some capacity? As a shareholder I would be more than happy to contribute.
 
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