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There is zero chance that fuckwit has passed the bar let alone worked as a prosecutor

The tell is he's never used a single legal citation for any of his claims

If he actually knew his shit he'd be rubbing our noses in it imo
Confirmed proof this moron isn’t a lawyer

I fucking hate George W Bush

But anyone that understands the two decisions from the 2000 election knows that Bush won

SCOTUS got both of those decisions correct despite RBG’s unpleasantness

Funny how denying that election result isn’t a ThReAt tO DeMoCrAcY lmao

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Winenut

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Confirmed proof this moron isn’t a lawyer

I fucking hate George W Bush

But anyone that understands the two decisions from the 2000 election knows that Bush won

SCOTUS got both of those decisions correct despite RBG’s unpleasantness

Funny how denying that election result isn’t a ThReAt tO DeMoCrAcY lmao

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Not sure how Ginsburgs dissent and recognition that Floridas Supreme court can interpret (rightly or wrongly) its own state laws without interference from Federal courts was unpleasant but it certainly was an interesting case…..and yeah George Dubbya was a first rate moron 🙄🤣
 
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Not sure how Ginsburgs dissent and recognition that Floridas Supreme court can interpret (rightly or wrongly) its own state laws without interference from Federal courts was unpleasant but it certainly was an interesting case…..and yeah George Dubbya was a first rate moron 🙄🤣
I was referring to her deliberately removing the word 'respectfully' in her dissent haha
 
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Winenut

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Not sure how Ginsburgs dissent and recognition that Floridas Supreme court can interpret (rightly or wrongly) its own state laws without interference from Federal courts was unpleasant but it certainly was an interesting case…..and yeah George Dubbya was a first rate moron 🙄🤣
Not to mention the Brooks brothers riot.
 
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Great reasons in this article as to why the US is desperate (and should be desperate) to acquire Roche Dure

Also great reasons why it’s so important for Nigel to push ahead with arbitration and not have any more delays

The DRC and US are both fucking us around and our strength is in the wins in arbitration. @9cardomaha provided us with an insight as to how the international courts could seize payments made from Zijin to the DRC through royalties and other payments

I don’t remember the process involved in seizing those assets, and others may disagree on pursuing our rights to completion through the ICC and ICSID

Once I got used to the length of the arbitration process and the fact that we have already taken it this far, I would dig my heels in and use it to pressure all those arseholes trying to screw us
 
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Taking a step back, we have ongoing cases against them so non-payment on emergency rulings will look poorly on them - so logically they can't just do a runner.

If they do a runner*, because lets face it they probably don't care about ICC cases and its just to drain our funds - I've mentioned before that ICC and ICSID have the power to intercept payments from most international banks and institutions. DLA just need to raise this point to the courts - and wouldn't you know it, if you don't pay according to ICC and ICSID, they don't really favour you going forward.

*This is a possibility for sure.... Refusing to pay is classic DRC, playing the victim, crying poor etc. but there is precedence for intercepting payments which is easy to argue.

For the way payments work, if the damages amount is high, they will draft the payment scheme. If its payment to the Arbitrator and legal teams, its a lump sum immediately, but won't go through AVZ, payable directly to DLA and ICC/ICSID.

We can even ask the courts to force securitization at the next hearings which puts a portion of the payable amount into escrow and will be paid upon a verdict. I'd say with the penalty ticking up to 100mil, we could ask for 20mil as security without much issue - then just work on the verdict and 20mil instant in the bank with the following 80mil that we have to chase up.

Obviously leaving it to DLA and BOD to decide, but that's my takeaway, and why i'm cool as a cucumber.

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Great reasons in this article as to why the US is desperate (and should be desperate) to acquire Roche Dure

Also great reasons why it’s so important for Nigel to push ahead with arbitration and not have any more delays

The DRC and US are both fucking us around and our strength is in the wins in arbitration. @9cardomaha provided us with an insight as to how the international courts could seize payments made from Zijin to the DRC through royalties and other payments

I don’t remember the process involved in seizing those assets, and others may disagree on pursuing our rights to completion through the ICC and ICSID

Once I got used to the length of the arbitration process and the fact that we have already taken it this far, I would dig my heels in and use it to pressure all those arseholes trying to screw us
I've linked the only post I can find where @9cardomaha talked about this

He mentions mentioning intercepting payments before in this post but I'm unable to find any other reference he made to it

However my understanding is that it is only the ICC that has this power not the ICSID

For ICSID judgements we only have the ability to enforce the award in ICSID signature states imo

But hopefully I'm wrong and they both can do it
 
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Great reasons in this article as to why the US is desperate (and should be desperate) to acquire Roche Dure

Also great reasons why it’s so important for Nigel to push ahead with arbitration and not have any more delays

The DRC and US are both fucking us around and our strength is in the wins in arbitration. @9cardomaha provided us with an insight as to how the international courts could seize payments made from Zijin to the DRC through royalties and other payments

I don’t remember the process involved in seizing those assets, and others may disagree on pursuing our rights to completion through the ICC and ICSID

Once I got used to the length of the arbitration process and the fact that we have already taken it this far, I would dig my heels in and use it to pressure all those arseholes trying to screw us
What's in it for the USA to allow Arbitration to run it's course ?
 
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I've linked the only post I can find where @9cardomaha talked about this

He mentions mentioning intercepting payments before in this post but I'm unable to find any other reference he made to it

However my understanding is that it is only the ICC that has this power not the ICSID

For ICSID judgements we only have the ability to enforce the award in ICSID signature states imo

But hopefully I'm wrong and they both can do it
The DRC is an ICSID signature state.
 
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The DRC is an ICSID signature state.
So is the USA, here's hoping they get a few mines up and running for us to recover our damages.

AI seems to reckon it'd be pretty hard to recover it from the Chinese...
 
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DRC-Rwanda: Washington threatens new sanctions against Kigali​

Massad Boulos and Donald Trump

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  • Tuesday, February 17, 2026 - 09:25

The agreement signed in Washington between Rwanda and the DRC "is only a starting point" and not "an end in itself," said Massad Boulos, Donald Trump's Africa advisor, during an interview broadcast on February 16 on France 24, as fighting resumed on the ground.
When asked about the possibility of the agreement failing after the rapid deterioration of the security situation, the American diplomat rejected this interpretation. "The Washington agreement served as a launching pad for this process," he stated, adding that it is part of a broader mechanism aimed at establishing "total peace and stability in the region."
He highlighted the "essential complementarity" between the Washington agreement, concerning relations between Kigali and Kinshasa, and the Doha process, led by Qatar with the support of the United States and the European Union, which deals more specifically with the M23-DRC issue.
Mr. Boulos, however, acknowledged a "serious violation" of the agreement following the capture of Uvira by the M23, which Washington claims is supported by Rwanda. "It was the M23 and Rwanda that seized the city of Uvira," he stated, adding that Rwandan President Paul Kagame had "betrayed the trust" of the American administration.
According to him, after discussions with Kigali, the fighters withdrew from Uvira, "but not completely", remaining "on some strong points around the city".
When asked about possible sanctions against President Kagame, the US official indicated that Washington had "a number of tools" at its disposal and that "measures" could be implemented. He noted that the United States had already imposed targeted sanctions against certain individuals and entities involved in conflict-related illegal trafficking, citing in particular measures taken against James Kabarebe.
The statements come as Rwandan President Paul Kagame, speaking at the opening of the "Umushyikirano" national dialogue in Kigali, attributed tensions with the DRC to the presence of Rwandan Hutu rebels from the FDLR on Congolese territory. He rejected any involvement by Kigali related to minerals and any desire for territorial appropriation.
Several United Nations and US reports, however, accuse Rwanda of providing military support to the M23. The UN Security Council has called on Kigali to cease all support for the armed group and to withdraw its troops from the Congo. Kigali denies these accusations.
Washington says it is continuing its discussions with Rwanda and is waiting for "concrete measures on the battlefield" to judge the effective implementation of the commitments made.
 
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The DRC is an ICSID signature state.
I'm aware

I've repeatedly posted that section of their mining code lol

But there ain't a single court in that country that will hand over their state assets to us imo
 
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I'm aware

I've repeatedly posted that section of their mining code lol

But there ain't a single court in that country that will hand over their state assets to us imo
So what does the US do if they want Roche Dure ?
 
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For ICSID judgements we only have the ability to enforce the award in ICSID signature states imo
The DRC is an ICSID signature state.
I'm aware

I've repeatedly posted that section of their mining code lol

But there ain't a single court in that country that will hand over their state assets to us imo
Specifically on this the DRC is also a contracting state to the New York Convention 1958

Under the New York Convention the DRC has designated mining rights as immovable property that are exempt from foreign awards being enforced within its court system

So this isn’t a snack muncher thing it’s actually the law

This is why the west taiwanese puppets are always going on about tHeiR LaNd tHeIr LaWs

But we can obviously enforce the ICSID award in foreign jurisdictions that are signatures to the ICSID imo
 
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