AVZ Discussion 2022

For those that don't read HC, the following analysis by a new account (@mitchelllangdon) was posted this morning;



Hi everyone, finally decided to upload my first post and weigh in here. I’ve been watching for years (and holding through the pain just like the rest of you), but after reading the full text of this new US–DRC Strategic Partnership Agreement, I think a lot of people are missing what’s buried in the Annexures.

If you actually read Annex 1 and 2, this treaty doesn’t name Manono, but it does set up a framework that strongly favours a US-aligned solution over a China-controlled one.

Here’s how I see it, without getting too bogged down in legal jargon.



The “Covered Nation” squeeze on Zijin
Annex 2 defines a “covered nation” by pointing to US law (10 U.S.C. § 4872). That list is China, Russia, Iran and North Korea.

Annex 1 then says that for a project to qualify as a Qualifying Strategic Project under this Agreement (and access the full “strategic” package – incentives, US-backed finance, Lobito focus, etc.), no more than 40% of the equity can be held by anyone who is not a US person or an “aligned person”. That cap then tightens over time to 30%, 20% and finally 10% over 20 years.

Chinese entities are explicitly outside the “aligned person” definition, so they sit in that capped bucket.

Zijin currently claims to own about 61% of the Northern Tenement JV (Manono Lithium SAS), with Cominière on 39%. That structure is basically incompatible with QSP status as written in the treaty.



The Agreement does not outright ban Zijin or stop the DRC issuing them permits. What it does mean is:


  • A Zijin-controlled north cannot be treated as a flagship “strategic” project under this framework unless their stake is cut back to a capped minority; and
  • The DRC would have to walk away from a lot of US political and financial upside if it insists on keeping the current 61/39 Chinese-majority structure.
So while it’s not an immediate “kill switch”, it is a very deliberate structural squeeze on a Chinese-majority north.



SOEs, Cominière and how the DRC can pivot
Article XIII requires the DRC to review the beneficial ownership and leadership structures of its mining SOEs and to endeavour to use those stakes to facilitate investment by US and aligned investors.

That obviously puts Cominière squarely under the microscope.

It doesn’t, by itself, void the Northern Tenement deal or magically strip PR15775. But it does:


  • Put Cominière’s arrangements into a formal governance review within a US–DRC strategic framework; and
  • Make it politically and diplomatically easier to revisit deals that cut across ICC/ICSID decisions or earlier findings by DRC oversight bodies.
If the DRC chooses to move the northern area into the new Strategic Asset Reserve (SAR), then under Article VII any new SAR project in that ground has to run through:

  • A right of first offer and initial negotiation window for US persons; and only
  • If no US proposal is accepted, a window for aligned persons (which would include Australian companies).
In that set-up, Zijin is highly unlikely to regain majority control. At best they’d be negotiating for a capped minority role under a US/aligned-led structure, if they’re in the tent at all.

So I wouldn’t say “game over” in a legal sense yet, but the rules of the game have definitely shifted against a Chinese-majority northern JV.



Why knocking back KoBold’s first swing makes more sense now
We know from AVZ’s update that the framework it signed with KoBold is non-binding and non-exclusive, and that AVZ is now running a competitive process with multiple US-aligned parties. KoBold doesn’t have this sewn up.

If KoBold’s first proposal effectively priced AVZ as a distressed litigant stuck in court, rejecting that and forcing a broader bidding process looks pretty rational in light of this Agreement:


  • AVZ has the data, the long-term work on the deposit and the legal claims over the original PR13359 area.
  • The US needs a Manono outcome that looks bankable and rules-based, not like another headline about expropriation and ignored arbitration awards.
  • The SPA architecture makes it much harder to simply ignore AVZ’s arbitration wins and hand a flagship lithium asset to a Chinese-controlled structure without undermining the whole “responsible critical minerals” narrative.
My personal read is that AVZ likely had some visibility that a US–DRC strategic framework was coming and chose not to lock in a deal at “distressed” levels.

We don’t have official confirmation that there are exactly three US bidders, but we do know there is more than one party in the frame. This Agreement makes a US-aligned, unified Manono development the most logical end state if the DRC wants to maximise both money and political leverage. That’s where the “Super Pit” concept starts to look more than just a dream, even though the treaty itself does not literally reunify the tenements.



Why a buy-in or buyout still looks like the natural endgame
The Agreement gives US persons a right of first offer on SAR projects and only lets aligned persons (like AVZ as an Australian company) into the formal SAR process once the US window has played out.

It doesn’t say “push aligned partners out”, but it does structurally favour:


  • A US-led operating consortium as the public face of any strategic Manono project; and
  • Ownership structures where non-aligned players like Zijin are capped minorities over time.
For that to happen cleanly at Manono, someone still has to resolve:

  • AVZ’s ICSID and ICC rights and awards;
  • Cominière’s position; and
  • The existing PR15775 allocation to Zijin’s JV.
The simplest way for a US operator to clear the decks is either:

  • Buy AVZ out at a proper arbitration-informed price; or
  • Bring AVZ in as a meaningful minority partner in a new US-led QSP/SAR structure, with clean title and clear offtake terms.
Given the way the Agreement is written (emphasising US persons first and SAR/QSP incentives), I personally think a cash-heavy deal for AVZ is more likely than AVZ itself being the long-term partner, but that’s a deal-flow view, not a legal requirement.



In my view, this Agreement is the US and DRC building a policy scaffold that:


  • Strongly discourages Chinese-majority control of flagship critical mineral projects;
  • Puts Cominière and the whole Manono saga under much closer joint scrutiny;
  • Channels strategic assets like Manono towards US and aligned operators using the Lobito Corridor; and
  • Makes it much harder to sidestep AVZ’s legal position without scaring off the very US investors this treaty is designed to attract.
It doesn’t instantly tear up Zijin’s licence, and it doesn’t guarantee a specific dollar figure for us. But it absolutely improves the odds that the Northern Tenement ends up folded into a US-aligned, unified Manono solution where AVZ is compensated at something above “distressed litigant” levels.

GLTAH. Hoping this works out for all of us. Do your own research, not financial advice.

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Moved out till next year…...

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Moved out till next year…...

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I wonder if we asked for it to be postponed to conserve cash and maybe give a period of time to concentrate on the real game being a resolution around Manono and a sale 🤔
 
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If fucking toilet had done as he was fucking asked and gone along, taken fucking notes and reported back, instead of banging on about AVZ not announcing what the fuck is fucking happening day in and day fucking out, we would have an answer to your fucking question, and not have to fucking speculate

dumb fuck

ladies, don’t click on the spoiler, it’s nearly Christmas
 
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If fucking toilet had done as he was fucking asked and gone along, taken fucking notes and reported back, instead of banging on about AVZ not announcing what the fuck is fucking happening day in and day fucking out, we would have an answer to your fucking question, and not have to fucking speculate

dumb fuck

ladies, don’t click on the spoiler, it’s nearly Christmas

I say, mate. No need for the effetty jeffetty foul as all getup naughty potty mouth language
 
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Who would have thunk...


Dec 11 (Reuters) - The M23 rebel group consolidated control over the strategic town of Uvira in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo on Thursday, residents said, as Kinshasa warned that the Rwanda-backed advance could derail U.S. President Donald Trump's efforts to broker peace in the region.

The rebels' gains bring the conflict to the doorstep of neighbouring Burundi, which has had troops in eastern Congo for years, aggravating fears of further regional spillover of fighting that has already killed thousands of people and displaced hundreds of thousands more since January.

Sporadic gunfire echoed on Uvira's outskirts Thursday morning. For months, the town had served as the base of the Kinshasa-appointed provincial government after rebels captured the provincial capital, Bukavu, in February.

As each day brings the DRC closer to a military coup, I wonder what Erik Prince (Blackwater Inc) is thinking of the DRC army and its unique ability to walk backwards when faced with a bunch of skinny teenagers on e-scooters.

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Who would have thunk...


Dec 11 (Reuters) - The M23 rebel group consolidated control over the strategic town of Uvira in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo on Thursday, residents said, as Kinshasa warned that the Rwanda-backed advance could derail U.S. President Donald Trump's efforts to broker peace in the region.

The rebels' gains bring the conflict to the doorstep of neighbouring Burundi, which has had troops in eastern Congo for years, aggravating fears of further regional spillover of fighting that has already killed thousands of people and displaced hundreds of thousands more since January.

Sporadic gunfire echoed on Uvira's outskirts Thursday morning. For months, the town had served as the base of the Kinshasa-appointed provincial government after rebels captured the provincial capital, Bukavu, in February.

As each day brings the DRC closer to a military coup, I wonder what Erik Prince (Blackwater Inc) is thinking of the DRC army and its unique ability to walk backwards when faced with a bunch of skinny teenagers on e-scooters.

Cheers
F

The reports I’ve been reading say the M23 gave back areas they had taken, but Tshisekedi being the fat clown that he is has been trying to combine his army (FARDC) with the Hutu FDLR militia and bomb the M23 with the help of the Burundi army. When the M23 fights back, the DRC and Burundi accuse them of starting more fighting.
 
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The multi billionaire tech owners of KoBold metals (who are worth hundreds of billions of dollars) claim to operate with principles of Anti Corruption and Integrity

1) First KoBold implied that they would pay AVZ fair value for the Manono project

2) Then they made AVZ a low-ball offer of pennies on the dollar

3) Then KoBold appears to consistently omit important facts, that it was….

AVZ who explored and discovered the lithium at Manono and produced the assays and JORC resource size and grade

AVZ who produced the DFS, BFS and Sustainability Reports

AVZ who fulfilled all requirements to legally obtain the mining license PE13359

And AVZ who have won all the findings in the ICC and ICSID arbitration cases

Then we find out that KoBold makes a deal with the DRC and is granted seven mining exploration permits around Manono, and in addition to that we find out that KoBold is collaborating with Cominiere.

It seriously brings into question KoBold’s statements that it doesn’t tolerate corruption; that it would walk away from countries rather than participate in corruption; and that it has a passion to be honest about everything.

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Tolate posting endless mindless dribble on HC and restating legal cases over and over again is bordering on defamation. When AVZ is bought out I would be happy for Nigel to retain some funds to go after Tolate.

Was it ever confirmed that Tolate is Leonard?

He/she has some serious issues - they need to seek professional help.
 
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Tolate posting endless mindless dribble on HC and restating legal cases over and over again is bordering on defamation. When AVZ is bought out I would be happy for Nigel to retain some funds to go after Tolate.

Was it ever confirmed that Tolate is Leonard?

He/she has some serious issues - they need to seek professional help.
Last person I’d be thinking about is that gimp if we get bought out.
 
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Last person I’d be thinking about is that gimp if we get bought out.
Best go after Zijin, put a complete stop to their operations and sue the fuck out of them. They've been operating illegally since the interim orders handed down at the ICSID.
Now that would really be satisfying.
 
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URGENT 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨: WHY KAGAME IS LEAVING UVIRA – THE BACKSTORY OF A FORCED RETREAT BY THE USA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 (Read to the end) Match eza woooo

Since the capture of Uvira, many thought Kagame was advancing on familiar ground, as usual.

🟨🟦🟥His calculation: test the reaction of the United States, convinced that the silent support of certain networks would protect him once again.

But this time, the scenario collapses. And here's why.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐️--------------------------
➡️➡️➡️ THE CALL FROM THE U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: THE TURNING POINT

Monday, around 4 p.m. American time, the Vice President of the United States had a direct and firm exchange with Kagame.

🟨🟦🟥According to reliable sources, the message was clear: if he does not withdraw quickly from Uvira, the consequences will be immediate, severe, and irreversible.

Here are some measures put on the table:

🔹 1. Threat of removing Rwanda from the SWIFT system

This is the most dreaded sanction in the world.

That would mean:

- paralysis of the Rwandan banking system,
- blockage of international transactions,
- inability for RwandAir to operate normally,
- blockage of Visa/Mastercard payments across the country,
- near-total halt of exports, especially minerals.

In short: immediate economic collapse.

🔹 2. Suspension of the U.S. diplomatic presence in Kigali

Washington has warned:
“If the war continues, the U.S. embassy in Rwanda will be relocated to Kenya.”

🟨🟦🟥For a regime that bets everything on its image, this would be a major diplomatic slap in the face.

🔹 3. Strengthened individual sanctions

Sanctions targeting:

Kagame himself, members of his family, military officials, and the financial circuits used to fund the war.

According to a diplomatic source:
« The United States is ready to go very far to dismantle his system of regional destabilization. »

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐️--------------------------
➡️➡️➡️KAGAME BACKS DOWN AND ORDERS A WITHDRAWAL SIGNAL

After this call, Kagame immediately asked Corneille Nangaa to issue a political letter announcing a change in posture.

🟨🟦🟥So rushed that:
the first version contained an erroneous date (November 2025), proof of internal panic, before the date was corrected a few hours later.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐️--------------------------
➡️➡️➡️WHAT WAS PLANNED TODAY IN UVIRA

While several AFC leaders were already in Uvira to organize:

a “peace march,” neighborhood mobilization, and a political communication attempt to cover up their atrocities…

… Washington demanded a return to the red line:
➡️ The M23 must withdraw as far as Kamanyola, as before, and the RDF must leave the DRC

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐️--------------------------
➡️➡️➡️KINSHASA'S POSITION AND THE ROLE OF ALLIES

Kinshasa has reaffirmed that the total withdrawal must occur up to the former lines,

Madame @kayikwambaT continues the mediation,

🟨🟦🟥And according to Washington, Kagame must withdraw all his troops from Congolese territory quickly,
in accordance with the commitments recently recalled by the American president.
 
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URGENT 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨: WHY KAGAME IS LEAVING UVIRA – THE BACKSTORY OF A FORCED RETREAT BY THE USA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 (Read to the end) Match eza woooo

Since the capture of Uvira, many thought Kagame was advancing on familiar ground, as usual.

🟨🟦🟥His calculation: test the reaction of the United States, convinced that the silent support of certain networks would protect him once again.

But this time, the scenario collapses. And here's why.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐️--------------------------
➡️➡️➡️ THE CALL FROM THE U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: THE TURNING POINT

Monday, around 4 p.m. American time, the Vice President of the United States had a direct and firm exchange with Kagame.

🟨🟦🟥According to reliable sources, the message was clear: if he does not withdraw quickly from Uvira, the consequences will be immediate, severe, and irreversible.

Here are some measures put on the table:

🔹 1. Threat of removing Rwanda from the SWIFT system

This is the most dreaded sanction in the world.

That would mean:

- paralysis of the Rwandan banking system,
- blockage of international transactions,
- inability for RwandAir to operate normally,
- blockage of Visa/Mastercard payments across the country,
- near-total halt of exports, especially minerals.

In short: immediate economic collapse.

🔹 2. Suspension of the U.S. diplomatic presence in Kigali

Washington has warned:
“If the war continues, the U.S. embassy in Rwanda will be relocated to Kenya.”

🟨🟦🟥For a regime that bets everything on its image, this would be a major diplomatic slap in the face.

🔹 3. Strengthened individual sanctions

Sanctions targeting:

Kagame himself, members of his family, military officials, and the financial circuits used to fund the war.

According to a diplomatic source:
« The United States is ready to go very far to dismantle his system of regional destabilization. »

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐️--------------------------
➡️➡️➡️KAGAME BACKS DOWN AND ORDERS A WITHDRAWAL SIGNAL

After this call, Kagame immediately asked Corneille Nangaa to issue a political letter announcing a change in posture.

🟨🟦🟥So rushed that:
the first version contained an erroneous date (November 2025), proof of internal panic, before the date was corrected a few hours later.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐️--------------------------
➡️➡️➡️WHAT WAS PLANNED TODAY IN UVIRA

While several AFC leaders were already in Uvira to organize:

a “peace march,” neighborhood mobilization, and a political communication attempt to cover up their atrocities…

… Washington demanded a return to the red line:
➡️ The M23 must withdraw as far as Kamanyola, as before, and the RDF must leave the DRC

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐️--------------------------
➡️➡️➡️KINSHASA'S POSITION AND THE ROLE OF ALLIES

Kinshasa has reaffirmed that the total withdrawal must occur up to the former lines,

Madame @kayikwambaT continues the mediation,

🟨🟦🟥And according to Washington, Kagame must withdraw all his troops from Congolese territory quickly,
in accordance with the commitments recently recalled by the American president.

A reliable source…. Was that a Congolese source

“So rushed that: the first version contained an erroneous date (November 2025), proof of internal panic, before the date was corrected a few hours later”

November 2025…. An erroneous date

Maybe someone should tell the author his post is erroneous 👇

16/11/2025

U.S. Senior Advisor for Arab and African Affairs
@US_SrAdvisorAF

Today in Doha, the DRC and AFC/M23 signed a Framework for a Comprehensive Peace Agreement that charts a clear path toward a peace accord. Both sides agree to uphold the ceasefire, end hostilities, and address the root causes of the conflict. The Framework outlines eight core protocols for implementation, including the Prisoner Exchange Mechanism and the Ceasefire Monitoring and Verification Mechanism, as well as measures to expand humanitarian access, restore state authority, disarm and reintegrate armed groups, facilitate the safe return of internally displaced persons and refugees, rebuild the economy, and deliver justice and reconciliation. Taken together, these obligations will strengthen the foundation for peace, stability, and the rebuilding of trust in affected communities. The United States applauds the Parties for this achievement and thanks Qatar for its facilitation of this process.

First image shows two men in suits standing at podiums with the U.S. and Qatar flags behind them during a signing ceremony for the Doha Framework agreement between the Democratic Republic of Congo and Alliance Fleuve Congo Movement of March 23 AFC/M23, with text overlays in French and English indicating the event details and date March 23 2025. Second image depicts four men in formal attire, two in Western suits and two in traditional Arab thobes, gathered around a red document being signed or exchanged, with a backdrop featuring the Qatar state emblem and text November 15 2025 Doha State of Qatar.
First image shows two men in suits standing at podiums with the U.S. and Qatar flags behind them during a signing ceremony for the Doha Framework agreement between the Democratic Republic of Congo and Alliance Fleuve Congo Movement of March 23 AFC/M23, with text overlays in French and English indicating the event details and date March 23 2025. Second image depicts four men in formal attire, two in Western suits and two in traditional Arab thobes, gathered around a red document being signed or exchanged, with a backdrop featuring the Qatar state emblem and text November 15 2025 Doha State of Qatar.

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16/11/2025

KIKI KIENGE
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Three key elements of the agreement to be concluded between Kinshasa and the AFC/M23 in Doha:

1. The progressive and coordinated (with the AFC/M23) restoration of the authority of the State, institutions, and State services.

2. The Congolese government and the AFC/M23 must agree to establish transitional security arrangements to ensure public order and protect civilians.

3. Kinshasa and the AFC/M23 must agree to the creation of an independent national commission tasked with promoting truth, reconciliation, and accountability for crimes, and recommending appropriate reparations. Source RFI Kiki #Kienge



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https://x.com/KiengeKki/status/1989373608100040871

@marksmann007 it helps if you copy and paste the website link at the bottom of the post, makes it easier to go straight to the source
 
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Fantastic news that M23 are at least withdrawing from Uvira. Previous to this, Rwanda and DRC seemed to both want to keep on doing what they were doing whilst blaming the other. This indicates that the US may be able to apply enough pressure for Rwanda/M23 to withdraw, which may lead to the DRC allowing USA access to minerals including Manono, which may in turn lead to a resolution/settlement for us.

Maybe they were in a huge rush, based on the pressure applied by the USA as suggested by the post above. Or they could have poor media releases lacking proper checks all the time. Who knows.

Original version with the erroneous date

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A reliable source…. Was that a Congolese source

“So rushed that: the first version contained an erroneous date (November 2025), proof of internal panic, before the date was corrected a few hours later”

November 2025…. An erroneous date

Maybe someone should tell the author his post is erroneous 👇

16/11/2025

U.S. Senior Advisor for Arab and African Affairs
@US_SrAdvisorAF

Today in Doha, the DRC and AFC/M23 signed a Framework for a Comprehensive Peace Agreement that charts a clear path toward a peace accord. Both sides agree to uphold the ceasefire, end hostilities, and address the root causes of the conflict. The Framework outlines eight core protocols for implementation, including the Prisoner Exchange Mechanism and the Ceasefire Monitoring and Verification Mechanism, as well as measures to expand humanitarian access, restore state authority, disarm and reintegrate armed groups, facilitate the safe return of internally displaced persons and refugees, rebuild the economy, and deliver justice and reconciliation. Taken together, these obligations will strengthen the foundation for peace, stability, and the rebuilding of trust in affected communities. The United States applauds the Parties for this achievement and thanks Qatar for its facilitation of this process.

First image shows two men in suits standing at podiums with the U.S. and Qatar flags behind them during a signing ceremony for the Doha Framework agreement between the Democratic Republic of Congo and Alliance Fleuve Congo Movement of March 23 AFC/M23, with text overlays in French and English indicating the event details and date March 23 2025. Second image depicts four men in formal attire, two in Western suits and two in traditional Arab thobes, gathered around a red document being signed or exchanged, with a backdrop featuring the Qatar state emblem and text November 15 2025 Doha State of Qatar.
First image shows two men in suits standing at podiums with the U.S. and Qatar flags behind them during a signing ceremony for the Doha Framework agreement between the Democratic Republic of Congo and Alliance Fleuve Congo Movement of March 23 AFC/M23, with text overlays in French and English indicating the event details and date March 23 2025. Second image depicts four men in formal attire, two in Western suits and two in traditional Arab thobes, gathered around a red document being signed or exchanged, with a backdrop featuring the Qatar state emblem and text November 15 2025 Doha State of Qatar.

7:51 AM · Nov 16, 2025
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https://x.com/US_SrAdvisorAF/status/1989798537270526228?s=20


16/11/2025

KIKI KIENGE
@KiengeKki

Three key elements of the agreement to be concluded between Kinshasa and the AFC/M23 in Doha:

1. The progressive and coordinated (with the AFC/M23) restoration of the authority of the State, institutions, and State services.

2. The Congolese government and the AFC/M23 must agree to establish transitional security arrangements to ensure public order and protect civilians.

3. Kinshasa and the AFC/M23 must agree to the creation of an independent national commission tasked with promoting truth, reconciliation, and accountability for crimes, and recommending appropriate reparations. Source RFI Kiki #Kienge



3:43 AM · Nov 15, 2025
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https://x.com/KiengeKki/status/1989373608100040871

@marksmann007 it helps if you copy and paste the website link at the bottom of the post, makes it easier to go straight to the source
Hi Dave, my apologies for missing the posters details on my copy & paste.
Yes I realised after I posted it (uppercut).
He‘s a poster on X from the DRC with around 230k followers but I’m buggered if I can find the post again with the limited time I have this morning before work.
 
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